Synful Orchestra - wow!

[MotorMind]

For fast passages, Synful does do something interesting.

But a lot more work needs to be done on the sustain.

A Franck Violin Sonata with Synful Violin
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=403


Franck Violin Sonata with GPO
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=362

My ears still hurt from working on this piece with the Synful ...

(other GPO examples at http://ybacuo.wusik.com/

YBaCuO

The Synful violin sounds much better.. the GPO version sounds rather tinny and stiff in comparison, although the sustain is indeed sweeter. I actually think that the Synful-violin has a lovely, viola-like lower register that I fancy

I did notice though that you put the GPO violin lower in the mix... trying to mask its imperfections in expression perhaps?

[bmanic]

As far as the Beethoven is concerned, I strongly suspect that the passage was lifted directly from cd and is not the instrument itself in use.

[YBaCuO]

I did notice though that you put the GPO violin lower in the mix... trying to mask its imperfections in expression perhaps? HiHi

The GPO version of the Franck Sonata was done before I had heard of Synful and done for a completely different purpose which is described here
http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=28578

Also my comments quoted above were made in an earlier version of Synful Franck. A newer version was done following users tips of reducing the sustain noise and transient gain sliders to about -7. In addition, I did not know that Synful defaults to the Flute program when reloading, so maybe that was not set correctly. The newer version (which you probably heard) has the correct program. These changes greatly improved the sound.

The reverb question is one I have about Synful. It is new and I do not know how to pan or add reverb to it. I simply used the same reverb in both GPO and Synful (well, okay the Synful part eliminated some far mic mixing in, because I waw in a hurry).

I did the Franck Sonata because there were many demos showing some amazing fast passages but I wanted to hear Synful in a slower more intimate piece.

But even you agree with me that for the sustain part of the notes, the GPO violin is sweeter. But no doubt there is this wonderful action between notes that GPO does not have. Now that I have heard Synful, I cannot stand the GPO one - there is just this emptiness between every note!

YBaCuO

[JBMaxwell]

Hello All,

I've just been skimming through thread this, so far, so forgive me if I'm repeating older posts...

Listening to the Franck, I can't say I really agree about the sustain. The thing I notice right away with GPO is the "sample signature" -- I can hear a uniform vibrato coming from repetitions of the same sample. This is a weakness of standard libraries which seems to be overcome using this technology. IMO synful is MUCH more expressive than most sample libraries. (I say this with all the demos I've heard in mind, not just the Franck.) However, I do own VSL Opus 1 and Solo Strings, which are truly impressive. Now, if I could create my own instruments in Synful, based on analysis of my VSL samples THAT would be very cool!

I haven't played with the demo yet, but I can say from listening to the mp3s posted here and on the developer site, that this technology is truly impressive, and totally surpasses conventional libraries. However, the main problem I'm noticing seems to be in the area of short attacks and staccato playing. So, if he's still around, I have a couple of questions for Eric:

1) Are more articulations in the cards for future updates? (This would include tremolos, trills [don't know if these can be played normally, as alternating legato notes], pizzicato, and maybe even some "extended" stuff like scratch tone, etc.)
2) Does staccato improve with the 1 second delay, since the synth would know before hand that it was going to get a short note?
3) Has it been designed more with notation programs like Finale and Sibelius in mind, since these programs have adjustable "human playback" features, which can help to automate some of the controllers being used?
3) Is a Mac OS X version planned?

Very impressive, anyway. I'm going to check out the demo today sometime.

[BONES]

f**k me dead! It would want to be really f**king good because it costs more than an Alesis MICRON hardware synth, which has the following properties:

Sound Engine
_Eight voices of industry-leading analog-modeled sound

_Three oscillators per voice, with continuously variable wave shapes, sync and FM

_Two multimode filters per voice, with 20 classic and unique filter types

_Three envelopes, two LFOs, and sample and hold per voice

_Twelve-route modulation matrix, with 114 sources and 78 destinations

_One insert drive effect per voice

_Two master effects processors, with reverb and delay

_Full-featured 40-band vocoder

Sequencing

_Programmable pattern sequencer and arpeggiator

_Programmable drum rhythm sequencer

_Realtime or step recording, with controller motion

_Live realtime phrase capture -- one-button record and loop

Setups

_32-part multitimbral -- up to 32 programs per setup

_Up to 26 simultaneous patterns or drum rhythms per setup

_Quick splitting and layering

Presets

_Over 500 preset programs, with space for 400 more

_Over 200 preset pattern sequences and 250 preset drum rhythms, with space for hundreds more

_Fully compatible with Ion programs

Audio Input

Input Connectors: 2 Balanced 1/4” TRS jacks

Maximum Input Level: +5.2dBu (1.41VRMS) = -0dBFS

Input Impedance: 10kohms

Audio Output

Output Connectors: 2 Impedance-Balanced 1/4” TRS jacks, 1/4” TRS Headphone Jack

Maximum Output Level: +18dBu (6.17 VRMS) = -0dBFS

Output Impedance: 1kohms

Physical

Keyboard: 37 keys (velocity, release velocity sensitive)

Real-Time Controllers: 3 360-degree endless parameter knobs, 2 assignable modulation sliders, assignable backlit pitch wheel

Pedal Jacks: Assignable exp pedal jack, sustain pedal jack

Input/Output: 24-bit stereo analog outputs and inputs
MIDI Connections: MIDI In, MIDI Out, MIDI Thru

Or I could buy a 2nd hand TRINITY or any number of really good used bits of hardware. The price is f**king ridiculous.

[ZioKiller]

my attempt at a violin solo with Synful:

http://www.soundfonts.it/store/paganini.mp3

You know what is it?

[decypher666]

That was that "Karate Kid"?

Yours,
7th string

[topaz]

lets hear some orchestral arrangements on your micron please ?

oh yeh, you dont do orchestral do you. ?

f**k me dead! It would want to be really f**king good because it costs more than an Alesis MICRON hardware synth, which has the following properties:

Sound Engine
_Eight voices of industry-leading analog-modeled sound

_Three oscillators per voice, with continuously variable wave shapes, sync and FM

_Two multimode filters per voice, with 20 classic and unique filter types

_Three envelopes, two LFOs, and sample and hold per voice

_Twelve-route modulation matrix, with 114 sources and 78 destinations

_One insert drive effect per voice

_Two master effects processors, with reverb and delay

_Full-featured 40-band vocoder

Sequencing

_Programmable pattern sequencer and arpeggiator

_Programmable drum rhythm sequencer

_Realtime or step recording, with controller motion

_Live realtime phrase capture -- one-button record and loop

Setups

_32-part multitimbral -- up to 32 programs per setup

_Up to 26 simultaneous patterns or drum rhythms per setup

_Quick splitting and layering

Presets

_Over 500 preset programs, with space for 400 more

_Over 200 preset pattern sequences and 250 preset drum rhythms, with space for hundreds more

_Fully compatible with Ion programs

Audio Input

Input Connectors: 2 Balanced 1/4” TRS jacks

Maximum Input Level: +5.2dBu (1.41VRMS) = -0dBFS

Input Impedance: 10kohms

Audio Output

Output Connectors: 2 Impedance-Balanced 1/4” TRS jacks, 1/4” TRS Headphone Jack

Maximum Output Level: +18dBu (6.17 VRMS) = -0dBFS

Output Impedance: 1kohms

Physical

Keyboard: 37 keys (velocity, release velocity sensitive)

Real-Time Controllers: 3 360-degree endless parameter knobs, 2 assignable modulation sliders, assignable backlit pitch wheel

Pedal Jacks: Assignable exp pedal jack, sustain pedal jack

Input/Output: 24-bit stereo analog outputs and inputs
MIDI Connections: MIDI In, MIDI Out, MIDI Thru

Or I could buy a 2nd hand TRINITY or any number of really good used bits of hardware. The price is f**king ridiculous.

[griels]

Or I could buy a 2nd hand TRINITY or any number of really good used bits of hardware. The price is f**king ridiculous.

And that does comparable legato? Or maybe you could buy half a Stradivarius

[pitchdrifter]

Good thing we're not discussing ensemble recordings or SOMEbody would start complaining about the prices of used cars and superman sun glasses being lower.

[ZioKiller]

That was that "Karate Kid"?

Yours,
7th string

Did you ever watch "Crossroads"?...
No.. not the Britney's movie.. That one with Ralph Macchio and Steve Vai..
That is the part Steve plays during the final guitar duel

[decypher666]

I was joking (or trying to... obviously)

I know Crossroads, ok movie (typical 80´s ) (I never liked Blues... so it had no chance ) but great Steve...

Yours,
Ry Cooder

[griels]

That was that "Karate Kid"?

Yours,
7th string

Did you ever watch "Crossroads"?...
No.. not the Britney's movie.. That one with Ralph Macchio and Steve Vai..
That is the part Steve plays during the final guitar duel

Great playing Zio

[vurt]

That was that "Karate Kid"?

Yours,
7th string

Did you ever watch "Crossroads"?...
No.. not the Britney's movie.. That one with Ralph Macchio and Steve Vai..
That is the part Steve plays during the final guitar duel

Great playing Zio

crossroads?

[ZioKiller]

Yours,
Ry Cooder

Yours,
7th string