TAL-Pha Released! Alpha Juno II Emulation from TAL-Software

[Yoloswagger9]

But what is the line?
You may want another envelope, someone may want all the Roland filters, someone may want a second and third oscillator, someone already asked for an mseg.
Where is the line drawn?
For me, Patrick draws that line.
It's his vision/product.

rsp

Yes and he apparently thought unison and detune was ok, but me ASKING for another env is blasphemy, Satan summoning and to be made fun of
You're just a bunch of hypocrites. Admit it.
rsvp

[audiouser720]

But tal pha came out just a few days ago. Why not have unlimited envelopes. What would that hurt, sound wise. They made other upgrades and changes that the original didn't have.
1 single envelope is just dumb.

It's not dumb. It's a very important limitation which contributed to the characteristics of the original synth this plugin supposed to emulate. With 1 env you're are forced to create sounds in a particular way and the result of this is often desired.

To be fair, it sounds like this is not the synth and feature set you are looking for and that's fine. You presumably need something that has more modulation options rather than focused on the sound. But make no mistake, this little synth can go a long way, you would be surprised.

Even the ancient minimoog had 2 envelopes...

It also had 3 VCOs, so? Completely different architecture, purpose and aesthetics

[Yoloswagger9]

Imagine if he DIDN'T add unison and someone asked for that. You'd not only ridicule but call the police.

[Yoloswagger9]

But tal pha came out just a few days ago. Why not have unlimited envelopes. What would that hurt, sound wise. They made other upgrades and changes that the original didn't have.
1 single envelope is just dumb.

It's not dumb. It's a very important limitation which contributed to the characteristics of the original synth this plugin supposed to emulate. With 1 env you're are forced to create sounds in a particular way and the result of this is often desired.

To be fair, it sounds like this is not the synth and feature set you are looking for and that's fine. You presumably need something that has more modulation options rather than focused on the sound. But make no mistake, this little synth can go a long way, you would be surprised.

Even the ancient minimoog had 2 envelopes...

It also had 3 VCOs, so? Completely different architecture, purpose and aesthetics

It's a common architecture to have 2 envelopes was clearly my point and me wanting at least one more env to the alpha juno arch is somehow just plain delirious to you people

I mean it's almost tragically comical the way you act and you can't even see it yourselves

It's just another envelope Jesus

[mjudge55]

I just think Patrick could add a number of things, as he's done, and as long as the default approach to the synth and the sound are true to the OG then it's all good. What you don't want is some new feature that obscures that intent or is imbalanced with respect to it. So, like, 4 envs would be dumb because it's a bare bones synth conceptually.

So yeah, throw in some detune, throw in another envelope. Just don't get carried away. And I'm sure that's how it'll go.

He did throw in unison /detune.
But that's fine. But me asking for another envelope? That's somehow summoning Satan.

This forum is so damn hypocritical it's insane

Chill man. But yeah I was tryna say if detune's cool why's an add'l envelope not? What you get here and at Gearspace all the time is people defending the lack of an innocuous feature or even lack of a bugfix like requesting it's a slight to the product. Then dev goes and adds it, no big deal.

[audiouser720]

I just think Patrick could add a number of things, as he's done, and as long as the default approach to the synth and the sound are true to the OG then it's all good. What you don't want is some new feature that obscures that intent or is imbalanced with respect to it. So, like, 4 envs would be dumb because it's a bare bones synth conceptually.

So yeah, throw in some detune, throw in another envelope. Just don't get carried away. And I'm sure that's how it'll go.

He did throw in unison /detune.
But that's fine. But me asking for another envelope? That's somehow summoning Satan.

This forum is so damn hypocritical it's insane

Whatever it is you are going through, it will get better. I promise.
Less is sometimes more. Less anger, less emotions, less requests, less envelopes.

And why Satan is being dragged into an alpha Juno thread. He had nothing to do with the Japanese polys

[mjudge55]

If there were a second envelope would it be another 7 stager? On the one hand I'm like sure why not but on the other the 7 stage thing is actually sort of weird to navigate for a basic synth to begin with. Would you really want to double that experience? Plus, just on a design philosophy level it's like why is this thing a simple, (mostly) one osc/sub affair and then you have these two complex(ish) envelopes? What's that about? Another option is a simple ADSR for the second but then you lose the design symmetry - if that's even the term.

/Deep thoughts

[Teksonik]

Uhm.. Why are we spamming the thread with a bunch of strange numbers and letters

If you'd been paying attention to this thread then you'd have known those are Hex codes for the GUI color selections so people can customize them to their personal tastes. So not spam and not "strange numbers and letters"....if you know what they actually are.

People who posted their color codes have done what we call "contributing to the community" just as one does when they post free presets etc. Others may like those colors and use them on their own copy. Would you think it was spam if someone posted free presets for this synth?

You should try contributing something positive as well. But from what I'm reading in your last few posts you may not be here long enough to do so if you don't chill the attitude.

[jsp1979]

You should try contributing something positive as well. But from what I'm reading in your last few posts you may not be here long enough to do so if you don't chill the attitude.

Gotta be a PBM right?

[JerGoertz]

On today's "As KVR Turns":

Mad at VSTs

[mothra]

And why Satan is being dragged into an alpha Juno thread. He had nothing to do with the Japanese polys

Pretty sure he's responsible for the whole Akai/inMusic/Numark thing though..

[Septic Underground]

Can you explain a bit how you make sounds with just one envelope? How can you even make one of the simplest sounds - a kickdrum and a psytrance bass? The kickdrum requires 1 amp envelope, and at least 1 pitch envelope. A psytrance bassline requires 1 amp envelope, and at least 1 filter envelope.

Is there some trick to it?

Yeah its called a TR808 and a TR909 trick

[kritikon]

I thought Satan belonged in Behringer threads not Roland ones. His middle name is Uli apparently...Lucifer U. Morningstar. Whereas, obviously Roland J. McDonald is someone completely different

[seafire]

If there were a second envelope would it be another 7 stager?

Absolutely. It would be ridiculous to not be.

[Niowiad]

Again with the envelope being weird and somewhat irksome because of the 7 stages
It might have 7 sliders, but it still has 5 stages.
Basically it can be an AADSR (when L2>L1) or an ADASR (when L1>L2).

And it behaves like a normal 4-stage ADSR by ignoring sliders 2-3-4 at their default positions.
The GUI kinda suggests that with the extra A(ABB)DSR labels, displayed below the originals.
Then, those 2nd-3rd-4th sliders can be used to get a dual-stage attack, if needed.

Quite straightforward.
Especially with the LCD screen at the bottom showing the envelope shape at all times.