Wave Alchemy - Triaz Native - No Kontakt -- Free for current owners!

[JohanH211]

The unique power of Triaz is that it’s not like Geist and not like Tal-drum. The fast workflow with preconfigured parameter routings of the 3 sound parameter pages is unparalled and saves so much time. I just sold my Digitakt for it. Maybe it’s not for every endless perfectionist tweaker. But this thing makes me craft creative beats ten times faster.

[Fannon]

Maybe its a bit misleading to pitch Triaz as the "got it all" drum solution, because while it can do a lot, it also tries to be lean so its UI/UX does not get overwhelming or finnicky to use. I think this is a good compromise to aim for.

Regarding the discussion with the envelopes: I've seen some solutions where the rough envelope shape was done via knobs, but you could actually fine-tune the shape (including curve shapes) in the sample visualization as an overlay curve. I'm aware that this is a lot of work to get right, though. You already show the lines when hovering over the respective knobs. Maybe it would be nice to keep some (very subtle) visual indication of the ADSR curve always visible? After all, it shapes the sample and therefore it's an important visual indicator of what actually happens.

At some point this may enter the territory where it gets to the (missing) sample slicing topic. Not sure if this really fits into the Triaz concept, I totally get if WA want's to keep Triaz optimized toward a certain workflow.

[revvy]

Yeah. I didn’t like TAL Drum and Geist doesn’t work on my Mac. Triaz, on the other hand, has been great for years and is only getting better.

I feel bad for not writing a passionate essay on the topic of how WA should improve it. Apologies.

[coldmachine]

Congratulations on an outstanding instrument. Absolutely love it. The switch to native has totally transformed Triaz for me, always had issues with so many Kontakt instruments.
I would also like to suggest that the range of the coarse pitch control be significantly increased. Depending on the source material, and the other shaping parameters, this can be an absolute gold mine for new and unusual sounds.

[wave alchemy]

The unique power of Triaz is that it’s not like Geist and not like Tal-drum. The fast workflow with preconfigured parameter routings of the 3 sound parameter pages is unparalled and saves so much time. I just sold my Digitakt for it. Maybe it’s not for every endless perfectionist tweaker. But this thing makes me craft creative beats ten times faster.

I'm glad to see that someone gets it

Of course, all music tools are personally preference and it's hard to convince people to change their workflow. Forum users will always find something to complain about no matter what a developer does with their product. Don't add a specific feature, complain. Add a requested feature, complain. If a certain UX is different to what they are used to, complain.

If we added every single request thing from this thread, people will still find something to complain about and the cycle continues (semi joking by the way, but you get the jist).

I see people mentioning Geist here a lot, which I have also owned since its initial release, way back. If you like this kind of thing, just use that. I would personally hate to turn Triaz into an overly bloated solution that take the fun away and slows down what matters most - making great beats, but maybe that is just me.

Sure, we plan to add more features as already outlined (and also more not listed there), and refine things further too, but we really don't want to overbloat this and take the magic away. I have seen this happen time and time again with some developers.

In terms of creating great sounding beats for modern musical styles with the complexity, movement and sound quality as in Triaz's presets as an example, in one single plugin - I still also do stand by my point that no other tool can currently do this without either a massive amount of time spent, or by using several tools and 3rd party plugins.

If anyone truly feels differently, then get in touch and we'll hire you. Yes, we are looking for sound designers, and I am serious

[SLiC]

@ Wave Alchemy - Just do your thing, you cant please all the people all of the time and you will go mad trying! The vast majority of comments are very positive, its a great V1 release, you should be very proud.

[Fannon]

@ Wave Alchemy - Just do your thing, you cant please all the people all of the time and you will go mad trying! The vast majority of comments are very positive, its a great V1 release, you should be very proud.

Fully agree. If I throw out ideas or suggestions, I only ever expect that you'd listen and think about if they would fit well into the concept you already have. Some things you have to reject, some you do indeed consider and for some you may have better ideas already. Doing what everyone wants you to do will for sure lead into a total mess

[wave alchemy]

@ Wave Alchemy - Just do your thing, you cant please all the people all of the time and you will go mad trying! The vast majority of comments are very positive, its a great V1 release, you should be very proud.

Yes, indeed!

We are certainly open to taking feedback on board (as you will have seen from the roadmap post), but of course its impossible to please everyone, and trying to do so would ruin the product.

Needless to say, we have some very exciting developments happening with this platform, and I am excited for it

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

I would use Geist if I could. Hasn't seen an update in 10 years and the copy protection from FXpansion (who are gone now AFAIK) is no bueno - either their servers are gone or it's not compatible with modern OSes (ilok wins again!).

Your point about forums is not wrong, however... I don't get this let's keep it simple, or quick or streamlined or whatever it's USP is. It's plenty complicated as is? On a complexity graph all of the desktop drum instruments ever released would be hovering at the exact same spot, lol.

You know your market though. More power to you I say.

Maybe someone will tackle a sampling, slicing, sequencing, effects laden, high quality drum instrument. It is a shame to stop at 90% though.

[enCiphered]

In terms of creating great sounding beats for modern musical styles with the complexity, movement and sound quality as in Triaz's presets as an example, in one single plugin - I still also do stand by my point that no other tool can currently do this without either a massive amount of time spent, or by using several tools and 3rd party plugins.

If anyone truly feels differently, then get in touch and we'll hire you. Yes, we are looking for sound designers, and I am serious

Interesting that you mention it. I was just wondering if we are allowed to create sample packs with Triaz for commercial use, including one-shots, beats, loops, etc. Sorry if this has already been clarified earlier, this thread is growing fast..

[Fornicras]

Demoed it. Looks good and being able to pitch a sample through the keyboard is great but it can only pitch up, no pitch down.
If they make it able to pitch down as well and also enable you to use your own samples without copying them to Triaz folder, I would buy this.

[wave alchemy]

Demoed it. Looks good and being able to pitch a sample through the keyboard is great but it can only pitch up, no pitch down.
If they make it able to pitch down as well and also enable you to use your own samples without copying them to Triaz folder, I would buy this.

Hi!

You can pitch up and down using MIDI notes already. Use the notes C3 to B4. You can also change which MIDI notes are used for pitching on the mapping page.

The second point is also being addressed, most likely with AI to tag samples too and link them in from any location. Along with many other things listed on our roadmap within this thread somewhere

[Fornicras]

Demoed it. Looks good and being able to pitch a sample through the keyboard is great but it can only pitch up, no pitch down.
If they make it able to pitch down as well and also enable you to use your own samples without copying them to Triaz folder, I would buy this.

Hi!

You can pitch up and down using MIDI notes already. Use the notes C3 to B4. You can also change which MIDI notes are used for pitching on the mapping page.

The second point is also being addressed, most likely with AI to tag samples too and link them in from any location. Along with many other things listed on our roadmap within this thread somewhere

I tried every key but it wasn't pitching it down the sample (hi-hat sample) I will try to set it on the mapping page.

Glad to know custom folders are on the way, hopefully, it would take not too long.
I will still wait for that update to come to buy this though, thank you.

[wltchris101]

Tried the Triaz demo. It's good, but I would still happily use Geist 1 instead. Triaz feels overwhelming with all the different pages and mouse click jumping around. One minute at the sound page, next at the browser, next at the sequencer, then back to the browser, oops I clicked on the preset selector tab instead of the sample browser, where do I want to go again? Oh yeah, back to the sequencer, but I can't change my drum sample from that page, ok then, I'll just use the drum randomizer, but that's on the sound page.

The beauty for me with Geist 1 was the smooth, simple interface. Browser, sequencer, pads, change samples all on one page.

I felt the opposite - Geist was overwhelming and over complicated (sold it years ago and never looked back). For me, Triaz is more streamlined and much easier and quicker to get to where I want. It's already become my favourite beat making device.

[Choikdoi]

Glad to know custom folders are on the way, hopefully, it would take not too long.
I will still wait for that update to come to buy this though, thank you.

They did already say that would take up to 6 months to implement.

As was already mentioned earlier in the thread, symbolic links are a good work-around in the meantime.

I'd never heard of them before, but after researching them on Google, I was able to set one up for my user samples in Triaz in no more than 10 minutes.