TAL-Pha Released! Alpha Juno II Emulation from TAL-Software

[Septic Underground]

nah TAL is a cool brand.

It is up to him to do and implement what he wants.
As it is up to us to buy it or not.

In my experience TAL is very open to suggestions and have added buttons on the TAL-DRUM after I requested and explained my specific workflow.

That alone makes it #1 in my book and the sound is also there to back it up.

[briefcasemanx]

But I don't want to "use a different synth". There's no reason why an extra envelope can't be added with some "extended mode" or something. It's a digital synth, made of code, where you can just copy the envelope code you already made. You don't need to think about component cost and UI solutions to fit another envelope are not hard. The reasons why a single envelope were put into the hardware are not reasons that exist when the synth is fully realized in code.

It doesn't hurt ANY user that doesn't want to use the "extra" feature because of their idiosyncratic fetishes. Very strange to argue against a incredibly basic synth feature that no one is forced to use if they don't want to, but many will. If people were asking for exotic stuff ("hey, can you add a wavetable oscillator or a spectral engine") I would understand, but a 2nd envelope is very, very, very basic and the envelope code already exists.

Anyway, I'll buy this if a 2nd envelope is added. If not, I won't. I guess not giving the developer my money is in essence "using a different synth" .

[egbert101]

I'm glad the reception for the Alpha Juno was so positive, as I'm increasingly loving the sound. Although I would like a modern take hardware version (which won't happen). But every increase in the interest in the Junos means a greater chance of a hardware clone.

[Septic Underground]

Anyway, I'll buy this if a 2nd envelope is added. If not, I won't. I guess not giving the developer my money is in essence "using a different synth" .

That's how an open market works if I am not mistaken.

Nobody is forced to buy each and every new synth on the block..
Imagine that..(well I can imagine it very well unfortunately )

[briefcasemanx]

Anyway, I'll buy this if a 2nd envelope is added. If not, I won't. I guess not giving the developer my money is in essence "using a different synth" .

That's how an open market works if I am not mistaken.

Nobody is forced to buy each and every new synth on the block..
Imagine that..(well I can imagine it very well unfortunately )

Are you sure that's how an open market works? Can you spend the week and provide me a long and incredibly well researched list of resources to back up this claim?

[Etienne1973]

... It doesn't hurt ANY user that doesn't want to use the "extra" feature because of their idiosyncratic fetishes. ...

Be careful! A fixation on a 2nd-env-feature could be seen as a fetish too.

So developer has to decide for which religious group he wants to do (or not do) the favor. Like catch-22.

[synaesthesia]

A dusky blue version. Shame we can't edit the font colours.

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That's my favourite one yet. Nice and subtle.

[chk071]

... It doesn't hurt ANY user that doesn't want to use the "extra" feature because of their idiosyncratic fetishes. ...

Be careful! A fixation on a 2nd-env-feature could be seen as a fetish too.

Hardly. I don't know many soft synths which don't have at least 2 envelopes.

Whether or not it fits the developers vision for his emulation is a different question.

[briefcasemanx]

... It doesn't hurt ANY user that doesn't want to use the "extra" feature because of their idiosyncratic fetishes. ...

Be careful! A fixation on a 2nd-env-feature could be seen as a fetish too.

So developer has to decide for which religious group he wants to do (or not do) the favor. Like catch-22.

Wanting basic usability features is not a fetish. If that's a fetish then literally everything is a fetish (didactic reply incoming) and the word has no meaning.

The dev doesn't have to do anything or make any sort of consideration. My reply is meant to respond to poor arguments in this thread, not the dev.

[Vortifex]

There's no 2nd envelope on his 101 and Juno 60 emulations so I doubt there'll be one for this either. There's no room for it on the interface without either a major redesign or making the ENV header a clickable tab that switches between them, and he doesn't do tabbed interfaces unless extremely necessary like the layers on his sampler or the bottom panel of Tal-Mod. I hope he doesn't do that, as the one-page design is one of the pros of his synths. I think it's fine as is.

[Yoloswagger9]

There's no 2nd envelope on his 101 and Juno 60 emulations so I doubt there'll be one for this either. There's no room for it on the interface without either a major redesign or making the ENV header a clickable tab that switches between them, and he doesn't do tabbed interfaces unless extremely necessary like the layers on his sampler or the bottom panel of Tal-Mod. I hope he doesn't do that, as the one-page design is one of the pros of his synths. I think it's fine as is.

No room? You could just have a button next to the env called
Amp
Filter
Pitch
And clicking on those buttons would swap it out. Wouldn't need any more room.

[Yoloswagger9]

People have lost their minds. An emulation of a synth is an emulation of a synth. Adding stuff not in the original makes it no longer an emulation. Some view this as okay, and indeed, when it comes to selling people stuff they want, compromises are made, and the original intention remains as long as those features are easily disabled.

Yes they have. They are fine with unison but not fine with another envelope. Go figure.

[Vortifex]

There's no 2nd envelope on his 101 and Juno 60 emulations so I doubt there'll be one for this either. There's no room for it on the interface without either a major redesign or making the ENV header a clickable tab that switches between them, and he doesn't do tabbed interfaces unless extremely necessary like the layers on his sampler or the bottom panel of Tal-Mod. I hope he doesn't do that, as the one-page design is one of the pros of his synths. I think it's fine as is.

No room? You could just have a button next to the env called
Amp
Filter
Pitch
And clicking on those buttons would swap it out. Wouldn't need any more room.

Like I said in my comment you quoted, yes.

[MTorn]

No room? You could just have a button next to the env called
Amp
Filter
Pitch
And clicking on those buttons would swap it out. Wouldn't need any more room.

And by doing that, you end up with a tabbed UI.
Speaking only for myself, I hate a tabbed UI. For me, it's a dealbreaker for a synth like this. It really is - I stopped using TAL Sampler after he switched to a more tab-heavy UI.

So in one scenario you won't buy it, in the other scenario I won't buy it.

[audiouser720]

No room? You could just have a button next to the env called
Amp
Filter
Pitch
And clicking on those buttons would swap it out. Wouldn't need any more room.

And by doing that, you end up with a tabbed UI.
Speaking only for myself, I hate a tabbed UI. For me, it's a dealbreaker for a synth like this. It really is - I stopped using TAL Sampler after he switched to a more tab-heavy UI.

So in one scenario you won't buy it, in the other scenario I won't buy it.

I dearly miss the first version of TAL-SAMPLER. If he had just kept it optional. It was so much more inviting and fun to use. The new GUI feels unpleasant. Sorry for OT, carry on