One Synth Challenge #180: Regency by nakst (ELEX Wins!)

[] Peter:H []

What if my mix sucked hard, you can hear what I am doing wrong and you are experienced enough at mixing to offer some advice (...)

Nevermind. I noticed that the more I am trying to explain my point of view, the more "good advices" I get and the more people trying to "explain" me how something works etc. Do I need or want these lessons? Not really.

I don't want your lessons either ... kidding ... freedom of speech for me ... but please, I cannot accept that other people use their freedom of speech to tell me my point is not something they can agree a 100%. This is like in tennis. Doing a first services and expecting your game partner to not try a volley return... This is the internet today. Discussion cultur *facepalm*. KVR is notorious for this kind of stuff.
Anyway - Let's agree that it is allowed to share points, whether you interpret this as lesson or not.
And let's secondly agree that we disagree. Why not. Nothing special about this.

[cdbaksu]

Nevermind. I noticed that the more I am trying to explain my point of view, the more "good advices" I get and the more people trying to "explain" me how something works etc. Do I need or want these lessons? Not really. Sure, it's discussion, but it all begins because the way I choose to vote. Truth is that for years people discovered that secret voting is more fair and gives better results. Because people, when knows that their votes will be shown, do not want to offend anyone or just don't want to be punished for the way they voted.

No no, when people know their votes will be shown it pushes them to vote more truthfully.

It's not about offending anyone or getting punished. It's more about how embarrassing the voter will look when casting skewed votes. And then even more so when trying to afterwards justify their voting with all sorts of imaginary personal standards - which don't necessarily translate into their own musical skills.

I loved that one line from Discord, unfortunately I don't remember who said it, but it went something like this (I'm paraphrasing here):

"They didn't know there were cameras in the bathroom, and they left it all nasty."

[neverbeeninariot]

What if my mix sucked hard, you can hear what I am doing wrong and you are experienced enough at mixing to offer some advice (...)

I would say nothing and wouldn't lower my rating probably. Because you will improve over time with or without my advices. And this is not mixing and mastering competition (at least not for me), but music competition. Even if it is part of creating music, the other factors are more important for me.

First post of OSC, every month.

Welcome to the the One Synth Challenge:
It's a friendly music competition where you can win cool prizes but most importantly, meet amazing musicians, and learn a lot about mixing, sound design, and more!

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Truth is that for years people discovered that secret voting is more fair and gives better results. Because people, when knows that their votes will be shown, do not want to offend anyone or just don't want to be punished for the way they voted.

This is a false equivalence; We're not voting for a change of Government, or balloting to go on strike, or <insert serious voting scenario>, we're voting in a friendly competition that is run by volunters.

Again, you're free to do whatever you want during voting, there are no guidelines (for better or worse), but people are also free to express their opinions (for better or worse).

[PeterBPL]

This is a false equivalence; We're not voting for a change of Government, or balloting to go on strike, or <insert serious voting scenario>, we're voting in a friendly competition that is run by volunters.

It's not that anonymous voting is only reserved for great things and was invented for changing Government. It's based on research and used in many areas. Even in opinion poll it matters. People are not honest in most cases when they have to vote openly.

What "friendly competition" means for you? That you should give everyone "5" because you're friendly? I can give someone "1" and still be friendly on forum and not instruct others how to vote.

Again, you're free to do whatever you want during voting, there are no guidelines (for better or worse), but people are also free to express their opinions (for better or worse).

That only proves my point - people don't like to hear that they voted bad or listen someone opinions about how they voted, so they may vote "safe" way, to not being judged. This is not a fair method.

[PeterBPL]

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[Guenon]

It's not that anonymous voting is only reserved for great things and was invented for changing Government. It's based on research and used in many areas. Even in opinion poll it matters. People are not honest in most cases when they have to vote openly.

If you are indeed familiar with voting systems and their history, you know what is wrong with this logic when you stop and think about it for a moment.

The OSC is a situation where there's a relatively small group in which basically everyone who votes is also a recipient of said votes, and the vote is scoring for each and every attendee instead of a single vote for a preferred candidate. And so on and so forth.

Having open votes has much more benefits than downsides in this configuration.

[liqih]

And let's secondly agree that we disagree. Why not. Nothing special about this.

Absolutely yes, the point I see is that someone is more idealistic than others. Like those who write in some blogs that music is all about math, that no one is better than Bach because he understood the math of music, etc...

The same idealistic reasoning can be applied to OSC tracks and its voting system, and when ideas are brought to light discussions happen, because ideas are personal and individual points of view.
All interesting, but nothing special about this, as you wrote.

[PeterBPL]

Having open votes has much more benefits than downsides in this configuration.

This whole discussion is because instead of voting freely, someone is judging how you vote. How many people do you think will now dare to give someone a small amount of points? Who wants to be the next "wrong voter" who will be the focus of forum members' attention?
It is human nature that people do certain things despite themselves in order to fit into the group. I didn't invent this - they did quite a lot of research and experimentation on this subject.

[neverbeeninariot]

What "friendly competition" means for you? That you should give everyone "5" because you're friendly? I can give someone "1" and still be friendly on forum and not instruct others how to vote.

It is definitely not about giving points to people because they are friendly towards me (or witholding them if they are not), the end result, the art, is important.

These are not in any particular order.
Enjoying the process of creating art, and making the kind of art that you love.
Engaging with the community, however loose, ragtag, and downright weird it might be.
Winning is not important, but it's a nice feeling when your work is appreciated, even by a few.
Giving and receiving of constructive feedback; Who doesn't want to improve? You are, of course, free to accept or decline any advice that might be given, and vice-versa.
I also think that it's important that everyone feels that their work has been judged as objectively and fairly as it can be (which I know, in reality this is practically impossible to do...).
It's about art for art's sake.

I'm not telling you how to vote. I'm just telling you my opinion on your voting strategy, and we can agree to disagree on that. You are free to vote however you want, and ignore my opinion.

[liqih]

https://soundcloud.com/liqih/the-stolen-riff

The Stolen Riff

Made for OSC 180 using 16 Regency CLAP synths wrapped in Ildaeil (no parameters automation/modulation in DAW)

[instances x instruments]
2 x Kick Drum, 3 x Snare, 2 x Cymbals, 3 x Bass, 2 x Piano, 1 x Synth Guitar, 1 x Brass, 2 x Synth Lead

- DAW Ableton Live
- stock effects: compressor, reverb, equalizers, soft overdrive on drums.
- MAX 1 on master bus

[dstr]

Hi everyone, here is my entry for this month:

https://soundcloud.com/dstra/the-dancin ... al_sharing

DAW: Ardour (on Linux)
Instances of Regency: 11

FX:
7 * Calf Equalizer
7 * Calf Saturator
3 * Calf Vintage Delay
6 * Calf Reverb
1 * Calf Transient Designer
1 * Calf Stereo Tools
1 * Calf Limiter
9 * LSP Compressor Stereo
1 * LSP Limiter Stereo
1 * ZamDynamicEQ
1 * EQ10Q Stereo

[empphryio]

Having open votes has much more benefits than downsides in this configuration.

This whole discussion is because instead of voting freely, someone is judging how you vote. How many people do you think will now dare to give someone a small amount of points? Who wants to be the next "wrong voter" who will be the focus of forum members' attention?
It is human nature that people do certain things despite themselves in order to fit into the group. I didn't invent this - they did quite a lot of research and experimentation on this subject.

So anyway I hope you aren't taking this exchange of ideas negatively. Please understand that you're very welcome in the OSC. Also Compress and slajarek. All three of you are very welcome to be here.

[PeterBPL]

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Now small OT - what is with that Soundcloud?
Someone repost my OSC180 song on another profile, but I suspect that it's not because of choice, but just some random guy reposts many songs from various other profiles. Am I right?
What is this for?

[cdbaksu]

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Now small OT - what is with that Soundcloud?
Someone repost my OSC180 song on another profile, but I suspect that it's not because of choice, but just some random guy reposts many songs from various other profiles. Am I right?
What is this for?

That's the "special" playlist for people who voted like they didn't know the votes are public.

[PeterBPL]

That's the "special" playlist for people who voted like they didn't know the votes are public.

You're right guys, people are so friendly and nice here.


FYI: OSC179 was my second OSC I participated, so I knew that votes are public. I checked it at the previous OSC in which I participated. I just don't care if someone like how I vote or not. And you really suggested that people should vote different depends on if they know that votes are public or not? Lol!