Do Linux users tend to be somewhat paranoid?

[revvy]

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Why are you posting a selfie?

To show my confusion at BFG’s posts in a visual form.A popular technique amongst internet users since before I was even born. I had my camera on hand and boom, taken and posted.

My dad tells me 2024 is definitely the year of the Linux desktop. Ok boomer lol.

[Monsieur_FyP]

It's obvious that great things are accomplished in mac/win setups, and I couldn't speak to the ease of use anyone else has or hopes to have. If as you say, most people stick close to defaults, I can only hope they are as happy as I am when creating music.

They probably are. Don't you worry about them!

Time to change the thread title to;
"Why are Apple/Windows users paranoid of Linux?"

Nah, time to change the thread title to :
"For what frivolous reason is BBFG so self-satisfied?"

[Largos]

The lack of software remains the lack of software. You can get used to even the most awkward UI concepts. But when there is no software then you cannot get used to it at all. People uses Software. Not the OS. The OS is just the vehicle to get the software working. You don't turn on Debian to make music. You turn on Bitwig or Reaper to make music. And even these are just vehicles. The instruments and effects and recordings is what makes the music then.

There's plenty of good software, most of it's open source so is available on many distros. Your problems are your own.

The Linux distros market share is flatlining at around +-2-3% since over 25 years. They did not benefit by a single user from Windows going down from over 90% market share to 75% in the last years. That was Mac.

This is entirely down to what is pre-installed on machines, that will always mean more than anything else. As you said, Android showed how it worked by being a big company having a pre-installed linux distro on their devices.

[FrettedSynth]

Like the energizer bunny, morning again Tiles.
Yeah! No software on my Linux box
Again I guess you missed the point that all my Windows software is running on that box? Sheesh what a world, you all know what's good for me. WOW why could I not figure that out? Too funny.

[FrettedSynth]

You did get one thing right! Once I boot the system and click that little icon in the panel to run Reaper. I don't even know what OS I am using, it's just Reaper.

[Tiles]

Morning FrettedSynth

It remains fascinating how hard you friends deny the facts

Just look at WINE. Here you can see a fraction of what you miss since you are at Linux. That you are happy with what you have does not change the fact that you miss so much. You don't even know how much you miss

Imagine you could use Bitwig at Windows, and magically you could use every VST now. Just like that, without much tinkering. Including Zebralette 3 with working Drag n Drop

I cross my fingers for you that Urs manages it. Here we are at the problems of developing for linux again ...

And just to remind, it is completely fine for me that Linux is enough for you. I would just wish that some here would understand that Linux is simply not enough for the very most people. They go where the software lives.

There's plenty of good software, most of it's open source so is available on many distros. Your problems are your own.

You pushed my favourite button

This "plenty" of "Good Software" reduces for example down to ONE image manipulation software. Gimp. And this is simply not suited for professional work, and far far away from Good. Even when it has now 32 bit per color, after 15 years of letting the users wait for it. We wait now since 2017 for Version 3, the waiting continues ... . And that's the problem with quite a few Open Source projects in general. Most develops for the developer, not the user. Anyways. You have no Photoshop, no Affinity photo, no ... . Even Krita is better. And this one is an image painting software. Wich is again just ONE in its class. Alone Adobe offers three or four more.

Or to stay at the music, you have no FL Studio (they will never have a Linux version), no Cubase, no Ableton, no ... continues with the VST instruments, you have no Kontakt, no Superior drummer, basically everything that requires a software center. The good stuff.

WINE lists currentyl 65.000 user software. A Ubuntu repository for example has 45.000 software packages. And from this 45.000 packages the number of the real user software like Gimp or Firefox or Thunderbird, is below 1000. The rest is system utilities like bash scripts, server scripts, scripts for bash, have i mentioned the scripts for bash already? Bash rpg is nice and a must have. One of those plenties !!!

And WINE does not even list all Windows software. By far not. It lists just the ones that they tried to get them to work.

Nothing left from your plenty, sorry. Linux at the desktop is a scarcity economy

I cannot work as a graphics artist at Linux. I cannot work as a game developer at Linux. I cannot work as a musician at Linux. My needed software and hardware does not live there. That's already three industries that are out. And what software professionals needs is simply their decision, that's why they are the professionals in the area. And is not the decision of some enthusiasts who thinks that Gimp is more than enough since for them it is more than enough. Or bitwig plus a few freeware synths. I personally have a job to do. The TRUTH™ is not part of it, it does not fill my frigerator.

There are even more industries that cannot work at Linux. There is no CAD software at Linux. Studios will not work with Bitwig or Reaper or even other open source solutions like LMMS. This is simply not going to happen. They have a job to do. They use Cubase, Ableton, Pro Tools, and so on. Games are develpped at Windows and Mac. That's where the pipeline is, that's where the tools are. Unreal and Unity for example. Even when Unreal meanwhile has a linux version. It rarely is used. Did i mention the pipeline problems? How would you test for example DirectX at your Linux? And did you know that the Unity linux version is in Beta since over 15 years?

You see, it is not my problem only. It is the problem of the majority.

And that it really is not just my problem can be seen at the market values of the Linux desktop distributions. Just to remember, 97% uses everything but Linux at the desktop. Despite being free. And the reason number one for it is the lack of software. And this price is simply too high for most of us.

[FrettedSynth]

Lol! no Tiles I know exactly what I am missing. In my book that would be nothing, just a musician. Z3 drag and drop, TBH personally I prefer the menu option.

1975 Animals missed one class of folks. The ones who sit back and laugh at the other three.

[Tiles]

That's fine. But i cannot live without my guitar vst's

I grant it to you, please grant it to me too

[Largos]

That's fine. But i cannot live without my guitar vst's

I grant it to you, please grant it to me too

You're not granting anything, you're doing essay length dick measuring whines about nothing. I don't care about any of the software you listed that does not have a linux version, there is plenty enough software on linux for both my business and my pleasure. If someone else has a job which requires them to have some software that I can't run, that's not my problem. Thats what I mean when I say it's your problem, why should I care about what you can run, your inability to compile programs for linux, market shares or any of that nonsense.

[mevla]

But it does not help. The lack of software remains the lack of software. You can get used to even the most awkward UI concepts. But when there is no software then you cannot get used to it at all. People uses Software. Not the OS. The OS is just the vehicle to get the software working. You don't turn on Debian to make music. You turn on Bitwig or Reaper to make music. And even these are just vehicles. The instruments and effects and recordings is what makes the music then.

You've made it clear a couple of times that you value what's popular, what's approved as best-sellers.

So I ask you, what's wrong audio creation and production-wise with Linux and :

Bitwig Studio
Melda Production 117 plugins
All Voxengo plugins
Sample Tank 3 and 4
Rob Papen Blue3, Predator2, Go2
All Tone2 synths
Sonic Charge Microtonic
KV331 Synthmaster 1 and 2
Harrison Mixbus32C
All SugarBytes
Image Line's Harmor, Harmless, Morphine, Sakura, Sytrus ?

All u-he synths (Linux native)
The knowledge to operate creatively all of the above

?

When it's a matter of powering up the computer, logging in, power up the speakers, start Bitwig and create ?

I'd say that the problem lies elsewhere.

If you reply, and if you do so without any insults, I'll read the reply in its entirety, no problem at all.

[mevla]

Imagine you could use Bitwig at Windows, and magically you could use every VST now. Just like that, without much tinkering. Including Zebralette 3 with working Drag n Drop

I'd say that if there's a void at the inspiration and creation level, it wouldn't change anything apart from showing off.

So, what did you do so far music-wise with your wondrous popularity-approved setup ?

[mevla]

You see, it is not my problem only. It is the problem of the majority.

This was remastered by a small commercial studio in East Davon, U.K. I don't even know what DAW they are using, what equipment. Doesn't matter. I run Linux, they ... I don't know.

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/3peaks

This is offered at Mike Senior's Cambridge Studio mixing practice. This is for everyone to try remixing it. I run Linux, they run ... doesn't matter.

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/escape- ... ing-rhinos

[Tiles]

You do the mistake to declare the exception to the rule.

Let's say i create a guitar from a shovel and a rope. And make music with it. And then start to declare, hey, i made this music with my selfmade guitar, nobody needs more. What would you then say? And this is what you folks do here at the moment. You defend your selfmade shovel guitar with all weapons.

I believe you, you can make good music with this shovel guitar. But for me this is not enough. And for most other musicians neither. I need the good stuff. That simple. And the values shows exactly this. Linux +-2-3%. Windows + Mac 97%. And when it comes to music then the ratio is even more dramatic. One simply does not limit himself without a real need.

Imagine you could use Bitwig at Windows, and magically you could use every VST now. Just like that, without much tinkering. Including Zebralette 3 with working Drag n Drop

I'd say that if there's a void at the inspiration and creation level, it wouldn't change anything apart from showing off.

So, what did you do so far music-wise with your wondrous popularity-approved setup ?

Ad hominem again? Again short of arguments?

I made music. That's already enough. And when there's a void at the inspiration level then a shovel guitar doesn't help neither.

[Tiles]

Double post, sorry.

[Tiles]

So I ask you, what's wrong audio creation and production-wise with Linux and :

Besides the performance problem of Jack, the lousy Usability of Linux and quite a few other Linux quirks like the update dialoge jumping into Mouse clicks at Ubuntu for example? The limited software pool? And being trapped in a bubble of fanatics that knows nothing about the rest of the world? Well, besides this all, besides the limits and such, Nothing. Allowed is what works. And this was never the question.

But we talk about the general situation why so many musicians does not use Linux. And then you start to declare again and again that nobody else needs more than your Linux shovel guitar. These other musicians are no morons you know. YOU don't need more. Others do. And it's their decision.

I have also a question for you. What is wrong with FL Studio and several Kontakt libraries? Or with Ableton? Or Cubase? The problem is, you cannot choose. I can. I can even at any point extend my instrument pool, and can use instruments and effects that you can't. Even when you don't need it.

This concept is called choice. You cannot decide for others. And start to chase them with The Truth™