Okay so it's been something like 3 years that I have not found a single track that would've made me go "wow". When I was younger, it happened more often. Nowadays I think I've heard all the tricks.
How to overleap conventionality (doing the same tricks)? I had a Metasynth 5 license briefly, because I thought I'd make new music with it, but I sold it, because I wanted it to be a VST.
Also, any recent tracks that made you think it does it? Any subgenre of electronic music.
What is conventionality/novelty in electronic music?
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- KVRian
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- KVRAF
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This happens naturally because you get older...soundmodel wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:02 pm Okay so it's been something like 3 years that I have not found a single track that would've made me go "wow". When I was younger, it happened more often. Nowadays I think I've heard all the tricks.
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Does it really matter to bring something new on the table? We all regurgitate ad infinitum
We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. 
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- KVRian
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In this case yes, because occasionally I also debate about selling all gear and doing something else.BertKoor wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:40 pmDoes it really matter to bring something new on the table? We all regurgitate ad infinitumsoundmodel wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:02 pm Okay so it's been something like 3 years that I have not found a single track that would've made me go "wow". When I was younger, it happened more often. Nowadays I think I've heard all the tricks.
I have grown out of most polysynths already. I upgraded to starting most tracks not using a polysynth, but a vocoder, which is sort of the same idea as Metasynth gives. The idea is to merge the additive synth representation and some signals to produce sounds "ad infinitum".
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so the only reason you've got to make music is to achieve something you are basically stating is unachievable?soundmodel wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:33 amIn this case yes, because occasionally I also debate about selling all gear and doing something else.BertKoor wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:40 pmDoes it really matter to bring something new on the table? We all regurgitate ad infinitumsoundmodel wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:02 pm Okay so it's been something like 3 years that I have not found a single track that would've made me go "wow". When I was younger, it happened more often. Nowadays I think I've heard all the tricks.
Set Theory claim:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
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- KVRian
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I make music in order to invent something new, not reiterate on something that people have already heard.
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yes, and you seem to be asking how to do that, and also saying that you cant find any evidence that anyone has been able to do so recently.soundmodel wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:36 am I make music in order to invent something new, not reiterate on something that people have already heard.
so...
Set Theory claim:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
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- KVRAF
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Surely by giving you an example it means it has been done and therefore falls outside your remit?soundmodel wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:02 pm Okay so it's been something like 3 years that I have not found a single track that would've made me go "wow". When I was younger, it happened more often. Nowadays I think I've heard all the tricks.
How to overleap conventionality (doing the same tricks)? I had a Metasynth 5 license briefly, because I thought I'd make new music with it, but I sold it, because I wanted it to be a VST.
Also, any recent tracks that made you think it does it? Any subgenre of electronic music.
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- KVRian
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I think it is technically possible now to overcome limitations. I feel it is more about being too influenced by what parts music should have (a desire for familiarity, be it wubwub or amen or something). But I am a bit lost as to what is novel. I used to think vocoded sounds and sequences on effects.
In instruments I think Eplex7 is the recent incarnation of novelty.
In instruments I think Eplex7 is the recent incarnation of novelty.
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Is it still novel if its been done before but you are not aware of that?
Set Theory claim:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
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- KVRian
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Even Omnisphere 2 is starting to feel sort of old. Even when the Orb and the sequencer were sort of novel.
Malström is limited, but I think its tableread granular synthesis is still sort of novel.
Malström is limited, but I think its tableread granular synthesis is still sort of novel.
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- KVRian
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Yes. But that's why I asked if someone else knows what's novel.whyterabbyt wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:39 am Is it still novel if its been done before but you are not aware of that?
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But that means 'novel' is entirely subjective, rendering any other input pointless.soundmodel wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:10 pmYes. But that's why I asked if someone else knows what's novel.whyterabbyt wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:39 am Is it still novel if its been done before but you are not aware of that?
Set Theory claim:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
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- KVRian
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No. Novel means that it is not heard elsewhere in a reminiscent form.
Or novel = max(|previousmusic - novelmusic|)
Or novel = max(|previousmusic - novelmusic|)
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If something is novel to you, but not novel to someone else, as you have agreed could be the case, then novelty is subjective.soundmodel wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:25 pm No. Novel means that it is not heard elsewhere in a reminiscent form.
Set Theory claim:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate.
Red is Red and anything that is Red is an object, a class in itself or a real thing if you prefer"
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- KVRian
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No. We can compare it in a mathematical sense. If the features are too similar, it is less or not novel.
Features:
structure
melody lines
sound combinations
rhythm patterns
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Features:
structure
melody lines
sound combinations
rhythm patterns
...