Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[bmanic]

Suprise, they also put their pants on one leg at a time. Of course they didnt invent a miracle, no one did. Judging on the link you send, it seems like you are really pissed and hurt by this company... well, dont mind them then.

Quite a few people are upset by the eccentricity of the guy behind the company and probably his refusal to sell the plugins cheaply. I think most of the animosity comes from this.

He is also very outspoken about his own sonic aesthetic and how he perceives "good" sound to be and is not afraid to speak his mind about it. This rubs a lot of people the wrong way me included, though I do admire people who speak directly and to the point, even if I disagree with them.

So yeah, I do understand the haters and where they come from but I do think it's going a bit over board now. It's also interesting that some people in this very thread are known to be very easily offended themselves, yet they have no issues flinging mud and even blatant lies about another fellow human being. Then again, I'm not surprised really.. this is probably textbook stuff in any psychology book.

[bmanic]

Not sure what you are listening to but they are most definitely not the same.

Yes, I believe that. The plugin version is much louder and just getting that extra level clean loudness is worth it. I'm just not hearing a significant impact otherwise.

Interestingly enough, the Integrated LUFS reading in the last section before the fadeout is -12.0 LUFS I on the original clip whereas the P455 clip shows -12.5dB LUFS I. Even the short term LUFS is louder on the original clip (at about -0.6dB difference).

So at least technically the version without the plugin is quite a bit louder. I have my suspicion on why this is happening.. but it just shows that the LUFS meters of today aren't yet capable of completely comparing things like our ear/brain does.

If you collapse the clips to mono you'll notice that they sound a bit closer in loudness.. though the plugin version still sounds a bit fuller and louder with more things rounded off.

[jens]

For me personally, to possibly be offended I would have to care a whole lot more and then some, than I could ever do with a dude who sells "masterpieces" instead of products just like everybody else.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

Yeah you know what I apologise.

It's somebodies business after all. He can run it how he sees fit and if people love the product that's great.

My main problem was with people spaffing all over the threads on gearspace, which is probably more to do with a frustration with my own self and being jaded then with anyone's enthusiasm there.

So again I apologise.

I'm out for good now.

[shkr]

Many in this thread fail to acknowledge that Ziad (PM's owner) considers himself an "audio equipment designer", and in this sense you must look at it like he's an artist rather than a business man.

"you must look at it" - you don't say
for sure he's a designer but more importantly he's a very clever business man who perfectly positioned his own niche. And that's good for him

[kmonkey]

Oh, ma lookkk...KVR product armchair price specialists with Dunning Kruger syndrome on the fire ...again.

Have you never heard of a "privately running" company and a capital market? He can set prices as much high or low as he wants to. You can vote with your wallet or move on.

What the hell is your problem, if you guys want to invest your time and develop any level of quality into a plugin and then price it as "Valhalla" just do it.

Being salty on this forum about it is worth less than a snippet of toilet paper.

Remember to not complain 10 years from now, when you'll have a gazillion of "one-knob" wonders priced at $20 and wondering why all of them sound just the same.

Even Apple's own "Geniuses" idea seems like a real social gesture when compared to KVR price specialists and business managers.

The sole fact that some of you are upset by finding completely unrelated people (unrelated to your life) at the other forum is being satisfied with this plugin should be a heap of signals to you. I would be sincerely worried about this.

Why would you intentionally say or insinuate people are "wrong" or less capable when they expressed their satisfaction and are finding some tool genuinely usable after they tested it on their own material?

What because they don't complain about the price or are coming from different financial backgrounds? Gotcha.

Ah yes, internet truth syndrome.

[Erik_Lucas]

this kvr reaction is strange to me.

The only thing that's strange to me is that anyone is taking them serious enough to even demo their stuff.

Why? Does the plugin sound bad?

[bmanic]

Here are a few more simple audio examples of the compressor in action.

AD Drumloop - Original

P455 Long attack, Long release, Ratio A (the gentler one)

P455 Short attack, Long release, Ratio B (steeper one), 2CH mode

As you can hear, you can get quite a few different tonalities and types of compression out of it. I quite like this little simplistic compressor. It can be a bit wonky with shorter release times but with longer times it reminds me a bit of LA2A type compression in that it never really starts pumping in a weird way, even when compressing a lot.

Unfortunately the GR metering is not reliable in this plugin, as far as I can tell. You clearly get some compression going even if the meter shows zero and at heavy amounts of compression I feel like it's not accurate (not that it really matters at this point when going ham with it!). I also miss a wet/dry mix which would be super nice for the compressor.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

Have you never heard of a "privately running" company and a capital market? He can set prices as much high or low as he wants to. You can vote with your wallet or move on.

The sole fact that some of you are upset by finding completely unrelated people (unrelated to your life) at the other forum is being satisfied with this plugin should be a heap of signals to you. I would be sincerely worried about this.

What because they don't complain about the price or are coming from different financial backgrounds? Gotcha.

Well in fairness no one has really mentioned the pricing so far here.

But I accept your point about caring about other people on another forum. That's kinda crazy.

[jens]

this kvr reaction is strange to me.

The only thing that's strange to me is that anyone is taking them serious enough to even demo their stuff.

Why? Does the plugin sound bad?

How would I know?

[jens]

Here are a few more simple audio examples of the compressor in action.

AD Drumloop - Original

P455 Long attack, Long release, Ratio A (the gentler one)

P455 Short attack, Long release, Ratio B (steeper one), 2CH mode

As you can hear, you can get quite a few different tonalities and types of compression out of it. I quite like this little simplistic compressor. It can be a bit wonky with shorter release times but with longer times it reminds me a bit of LA2A type compression in that it never really starts pumping in a weird way, even when compressing a lot.

Unfortunately the GR metering is not reliable in this plugin, as far as I can tell. You clearly get some compression going even if the meter shows zero and at heavy amounts of compression I feel like it's not accurate (not that it really matters at this point when going ham with it!). I also miss a wet/dry mix which would be super nice for the compressor.

Man that sounds amaaazing - a plugin that can do this defies the laws of physics and should cost at least 999 of the finest Royal British Pounds that have ever been minted. The developer shouldn't even accept digital payment - unbelievably generous of him if he does.

[Erik_Lucas]

this kvr reaction is strange to me.

The only thing that's strange to me is that anyone is taking them serious enough to even demo their stuff.

Why? Does the plugin sound bad?

How would I know?

Ah. So it's not about the sonics. Got it.

[bmanic]

Man that sounds amaaazing - a plugin that can do this defies the laws of physics and should cost at least 999 of the finest Royal British Pounds that have ever been minted. The developer shouldn't even accept digital payment - unbelievably generous of him if he does.

I hear ya.

Anyhow, here are some more examples, this time on vocals. The 2nd example is driven moderately hard into the saturation stages. To my ears at least this compressor is super useful and really nice sounding and the distortion isn't bad either.

Angelo Boltini "Fragments", original clip

P455 Gentle yet lots of compression

P455 smashed compression + saturation

You can hear from the rising noise floor of the vocal clip just how much compression I'm doing (more than 10dB on first clip and 16dB+ on the 2nd clip), yet it is very stable and never pumping in a bad way.

No matter how much people try to throw mud at this plugin and it's developer, that's pretty impressive results in my opinion.

EDIT: Forgot to credit the artist. Here is a link to the Cambridge MT forums where you can find the multitracks and various mixes from people on this great track.

https://discussion.cambridge-mt.com/for ... hp?fid=950

Also the full song of course can be found by the artist here:

[vitocorleone123]

So far it sounds good. I’d add it to my shopping list for the $99 it should be priced at. Oh, it’s normally over $200? Yeah no.

I have the money - it’s just doesn’t provide that much value (to my ears). I guess I just don’t “get” this plugin maker. I don’t know anything about them other than they make quality plugins and price them too high to bother with since they aren’t the best of their category, just competitive in the top region.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

So I read on GS that bmanic developed some presets for this plugin.

I wonder if he worked for free or if he received the plugin for free as payment?

It's always good to know these things regarding people who have influence within a community.