Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

I think you're asking totally legit questions, and I acknowledge the apology (indicative of being more open to new ideas). Indeed, asking the questions was never the issue. I think if we're going to have an honest conversation and solve whether Pulsar Modular is a worthy investment (based around those questions), we're going to have to lay things out logically and be less emotional. At least for me, I'm hardly convinced by emotional arguments when it comes to how sound works and how it can be shaped differently with different tools... but I get that there are other variables with different importance for different people... It just seems that a lot of the time I have to dig for "the science" in these forums (both gearspace and kvr) when most of the comments seem to be about something else. Granted, maybe those comments about something else are legitimate. Perhaps Ziad from Pulsar Modular is a bad actor and we should be reacting emotionally. Anyways,

Ziad @ Pulsar Modular is from Turkey. Relations with the West and countries like Russia and China have obviously soured. Other countires relations have soured too though, albeit not to the degree of the previously stated countries. One of these countries is Turkey (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... 36_EN.html). I've noticed with my work internationally, that these types of relations deeply matter and are not just on paper. For example, my company was working with a bank in Russia before the Crimea sanctions happened. That bank no longer exists... I think that it's possible that Pulsar Modular may not be directing most of its marketing energy towards Western markets because it could be too expensive to sell there, but also that the avenues for 'digital frontage' are much greater at non western avenues for people like Ziad who live in Turkey. I remember I read a post from him where he proudly stated that a lot of sales at the time were being made through China, so I think it's possible. I could be wrong though.

I like you Eric Lucas. You always make considered posts. You seem like a nice dude.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

You claim you are able to judge sound, and now you claim you listened to them, so you must be able to describe what you are hearing in these examples.

Regarding your claim: you do not need the plugin to hear and judge these examples. The examples speak for themselfes. You would need the plugin to check, if the given examples were faked or if the plugin really does, what these examples are showing.

But you have said it already: you listened to them and you do not hear the serious stuff that is going on.
I mean the bmanic example is even better than the MDN YT examples.
If you do not hear that, then you should check your monitoring setups. Really.

I do not even needed to switch on the KH 120II: the iLoud Micro are enough to hear the significant improvement in smoothed transient response, increased depth & stereo imaging.

Thanks for the clarification(?) Barbarossa. A lot to consider there.

However I will not be proceeding with a trial at this time.

Best.

[steb_osc]

The aura created by the fans of Pulsar Modular is similar to crypto token shilling. There is something very off about it all. The actual products seem ok to me, but as I say the aura just feels wrong. The fans seem to have far too much to say about the product. Especially as people usually keep quiet about the secret sauce in their mastering. It’s the exact opposite here.

The lad from White Sea Studios is getting flak now on GS. His review was actually positive about the audio qualities of the product

[Erik_Lucas]

The aura created by the fans of Pulsar Modular is similar to crypto token shilling. There is something very off about it all. The actual products seem ok to me, but as I say the aura just feels wrong. The fans seem to have far too much to say about the product. Especially as people usually keep quiet about the secret sauce in their mastering. It’s the exact opposite here.

The lad from White Sea Studios is getting flak now on GS. His review was actually positive about the audio qualities of the product

If I'm not mistaken he criticized the plugin for not having autogain, when it does. In my opinion I think the review is unfair.

[steb_osc]

Yes, so you say and many, many others on GS, on YouTube etc. It wasn’t the focus of the review and the reaction has been crazy, crazy!!

The design choice of having to hold down the shift key isn’t standard, and so maybe he had a point.

[steb_osc]

Double post, sorry..

[Erik_Lucas]

I see your point from your perspective. The reaction to the video seems overblown because the reaction is not about the focus of the video. "Are there too many of these?" is the title. His conclusion (at 13:10 in his video) is that it's not an essential plugin. I get it. BUT it is a review at the end of the day. It isn't a seperate topic.

What if, though, that the people who are thinking that the video is unfair think so because not knowing about the autogain feature indicates he did not spend time with the plugin and manual, which is almost a necessity with Pulsar Modular plugins. This seems lackluster.

[steb_osc]

All fair points

[jens]

What if, though, that the people who are thinking that the video is unfair think so because not knowing about the autogain feature indicates he did not spend time with the plugin and manual, which is almost a necessity with Pulsar Modular plugins. This seems lackluster.

Yeah, dude's been at this for years - always the same: "this crucial feature is missing - bad!", even though it's right there under his nose....

not that this makes the Pulsar Modular cult any less hilarious though.

[Barbarossa]

The aura created by the fans of Pulsar Modular is similar to crypto token shilling.

I discussed two audio examples that show what the plugin is doing and instead of discussing the sound of the examples you claim I was a fanboi?
So there are only two possibilities:
1. You did not listen to the offered examples.
2. You listened to them and you don't hear it.

Which one is it?
In the case of the 2nd one, let us know, what you hear...

"I like"/"I don't like" coming from people in audio production, who are thinking of themselfes to be sceptic consumers (which is a good thing, if one really is) is a contradiction in itself.

[idoru97214]

One thing that has always amazed me about the internet is the time some people will take out of their day specifically - and only - to insult other people, most of whom they don't know and will never meet. I don't understand how that feeds anyone's dopamine pump.

I am an early adopter of Pulsar Modular products. To me they do sound clearly and unmistakably better than most others at the tasks they take on. I have the money to not worry about that part and I know that is a concern for many people.

Pulsar Modular has never given me money or credit or free plugins. I just really like the sound of them, and I do spend a lot of time comparing different plug-ins very critically in a well treated environment with quality monitoring.

As far as the focused and relentless character assassination that is the focus of much KVR discourse, it's really pathetic. I have never met Ziad of PM and I probably never will. He seems like a good guy to me. I probably deserve dismissive and sarcastic insults for liking the guy and the products, so get to it KVR peanut gallery.

[Barbarossa]

You claim you are able to judge sound, and now you claim you listened to them, so you must be able to describe what you are hearing in these examples.

Regarding your claim: you do not need the plugin to hear and judge these examples. The examples speak for themselfes. You would need the plugin to check, if the given examples were faked or if the plugin really does, what these examples are showing.

But you have said it already: you listened to them and you do not hear the serious stuff that is going on.
I mean the bmanic example is even better than the MDN YT examples.
If you do not hear that, then you should check your monitoring setups. Really.

I do not even needed to switch on the KH 120II: the iLoud Micro are enough to hear the significant improvement in smoothed transient response, increased depth & stereo imaging.

Thanks for the clarification(?) Barbarossa. A lot to consider there.

However I will not be proceeding with a trial at this time.

Best.

Good decision, that's exactly what everyone should do, who cannot hear what this plugin does.
You have sound examples. Until you can hear, what is going on with the transients and the image (there are tools and tricks to help educate the ears, too), you should stop buying ANY plugins.

There are so many hobby producers starting with budget "studio" monitors and often they never recover from that early mistake. Looking at Thomann, what the most bought monitors are, I expect most people just do not have adequate monitoring.
It so often starts in forums or stupid YT videos with recommendations for "good bass" which in most cases of budget monitors is nothing else but horrible upper bass bump along with bad transient response and directivity.

[eecrumjr77]

Interesting discussion.

From my point of view, there's the product and there's the discussion that surrounds the product. I personally prefer when the discussion about a technical tool product stays on course as objectively as possible, but we're all subjective creatures etc and presumably we're all emotionally involved in making music. So a bit of subjectivity is generally unavoidable.

The subjectivity in PM threads is what turns me off. There's a big helping of "THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR BOYS" with each release. I suppose it's funny (at least to me) that, naturally, there's an appeal in that prospect. If PM or another developer released a plugin that was genuinely a GAME CHANGER, I'd definitely want to try it and likely buy it, if it addressed a need or problem of my own.

The PM plugins I've demo'd (including this new one) seem decent but haven't hit me as living up to the big deal, never seen before in plugin-land, now we're finally going past hardware hype that accompanies their releases.

I agree with an earlier post that LTL Silver Bullet is top notch.

[Uncle E]

So I read on GS

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

So I read on GS

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

It is still a point that needs to be addressed, it indeed could not be true.

BTW I have already said as much to bmanic but I have the utmost respect for him as does the majority of this community IMO - across forums. I would take a recommendation from him very seriously, as I assume would many here and elsewhere.

I know that he bought Triaz with his own money for example; so it is not a topic that goes unmentioned on these forums.