Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

Good decision, that's exactly what everyone should do, who cannot hear what this plugin does.
You have sound examples. Until you can hear, what is going on with the transients and the image (there are tools and tricks to help educate the ears, too), you should stop buying ANY plugins.

There are so many hobby producers starting with budget "studio" monitors and often they never recover from that early mistake. Looking at Thomann, what the most bought monitors are, I expect most people just do not have adequate monitoring.
It so often starts in forums or stupid YT videos with recommendations for "good bass" which in most cases of budget monitors is nothing else but horrible upper bass bump along with bad transient response and directivity.

Please don't presume to tell me what I can or cannot hear Barbarossa.

Regards.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

The aura created by the fans of Pulsar Modular is similar to crypto token shilling. There is something very off about it all. The actual products seem ok to me, but as I say the aura just feels wrong. The fans seem to have far too much to say about the product. Especially as people usually keep quiet about the secret sauce in their mastering. It’s the exact opposite here.

Well put. This sums up my own concerns. I don't think they are unreasonable concerns either.

[pekbro]

The cost of one of his plugins is something like $8000 in his native currency, 3 months
rent in a nice apartment in the city.

Anyway, masterpieces, hopefully thats the
case.

[idoru97214]

I agree with an earlier post that LTL Silver Bullet is top notch.

I agree. Silver bullet is really nice as well.

[idoru97214]

Nevermind

[pekbro]

No relevance beyond a frame of reference for what he charges. Imo its a ridiculous amount,
to others perfectly reasonable perhaps. You be the judge.

[idoru97214]

No relevance beyond a frame of reference for what he charges. Imo its a ridiculous amount,
to others perfectly reasonable perhaps. You be the judge.

I'm sorry. I retracted my statement.

[audenso]

The subjectivity in PM threads is what turns me off… If PM or another developer released a plugin that was genuinely a GAME CHANGER, I'd definitely want to try it and likely buy it, if it addressed a need or problem of my own.

In my VST3 folder, I have an absolute plethora of game-changing plugins—literally, there must be over a hundred! Thankfully, I've managed to prune out some of them on Kn*bcl*ud.
It also seems that the thread caught the attention of fans of the incredibly talented "artist" behind those beautiful PModular game-changing plugins.

[bmanic]

To my ears at least this compressor is super useful and really nice sounding and the distortion isn't bad either.

Sure - the question is though: is it more useful / nicer sounding than dozens of ther compressors than can be had for little bucks from a developer doesn't suffer from a Jesus-complex?

Let's say Klanghelm: Tony really knows his stuff and he tweaks it until the cows come home before he releases his stuff for peanuts and yet he is one of the modest people imagineable. So is it vastly superior to both DC8C and MJUC?

I don't know why things have to be twisted to be either "good" or "bad". In my book there is no such thing when it comes to sound. The question should be "Is it unique?" and if the answer is yes, then it will possibly be valuable to someone.

And no, you can't get the same results with MJUC or DC8c.. and vice versa. That's the whole point of these things.

.. of course none of these plugins (or hardware) are "necessary". This is all a luxury, as always. But this is true for absolutely everything in life except basic shelter, food and water (and perhaps love).

Or, if you root for the more expensive stuff: what about DMG Trackcomp, which is about a dozen well-crafted (using state-of-the-art emulation technologies) analog emulations in one plugin - is it superior to this one? I never read Dave Gamble talking about himself or his products like he/they were the second coming.

As I said, I think it's super funny some of you guys even consider using this stuff. Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. It could be ten times as brilliant as it could ever be within the realms of reality and the whole appearance of this "company" (actually not serious in my book to be really called that ) would still be completely over the top.

Unless the company does something morally reprehensible I don't have any problems purchasing a product from them even if the developer is eccentric. And really, the only part people TRULY have an issue with is his pricing. But as already mentioned, it is not that far out of touch considering some other options. Heck if you go back just a decade or so, these prices were par for the course. His refusal to change with the times and the dime a dozen pricing of plugins is what seems to make people really angry. And when he defends that position you all crucify him for it.

Have you ever asked yourself, is he really the baddie in all of this? Just look at the ridicule he has gotten simply due to his plugin pricing. I'd say the morally reprehensible stuff is skewed more towards the mob rather than this one developer.

After all, it's all just some toys, and there's literally hundreds of these out, with most of them being made by people one can actually like.

So pull away the greasy, cum-stained veil of cult and what you end up with isn't really worth writing your momma a letter about.

.. saying things like this doesn't help your case when it comes to "who is the bad guy here". It's a bit strange trying to portray the dude as some kind of evil cult leader when the only truly visible cult is the one hounding this one lone developer. At least that's how it comes across in this topic. Though to be fair, I do understand your point if you are referring to some of the Gearspace mentality. That can indeed come across as a bit cultish.. but hey, what thread over there doesn't? Heck, the same thing could be said of KvR threads too. The aesthetic is much more anti-establishement here but it's no less cultish at it's core.

[Uncle E]

Refreshing that KVR isn't falling in line with the mob (in either direction) on this one.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

Some thoughts: I think the owner was finding his feet with the establishment of his company and as far as I can see he found some willing collaborators within the GS community; this has been mentioned there many times, members have said they feel like they are collaborating with the developers and some GS community members are actually collaborating with the developer with development of the product AFAIK. If this is incorrect maybe someone could correct me here?

Now I'm not sure how well the owner understood the conventions around this type of crowdsourcing/collaboration. IMO many GS community members became "culturally" invested in the company not dissimilar to how investors become invested in the capital of a company.

You may say "well aren't companies entitled to interact with their customers?". Indeed but IMO lines are being blurred here, customer or collaborator or supporter or super fan all become very difficult to untangle.

We also must consider the sticky problem of psychoacoustics and how our biases may effect our perception in general.

If I may revert to type and be a little irreverent for a moment; let's not forget that the owner* seems to be high on his own farts and many of his customers, advocates and collaborators also seem to be high on his farts. This may also cause some perceptual difficulties IMO.

It's a difficult situation IMO. How it is address going forward? shrug emoji

*I'm not sure if it is the current owner or previous owner as ownership seems to have changed hands more recently. Maybe someone could clarify that. AFAIK ownership change once but it may be twice now?

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

The price issue is not as important IMO. In fact you could just as easily argue that some people like the exclusivity of high prices. I have seen people unironically comment in mastering forums that high prices keep the riffraff away from a product, thus maintaining it's exclusivity.

Also many high priced plugins are championed within the community with little or no issue (DMG, Tone Projects, George Massenburg, Fabfilter, Softube etc, etc). I think the difference in this case is that some people feel like the developer is purportedly price gouging and are very vocal about it.

[Uncle E]

It's a difficult situation IMO. How it is address going forward? shrug emoji

Easy to address. Close tab. Unsubscribe from thread. Block people you don't trust. Touch grass.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

It's a difficult situation IMO. How it is address going forward? shrug emoji

Easy to address. Close tab. Unsubscribe from thread. Block people you don't trust. Touch grass.

Again I don't think these concerns are unreasonable. They are just difficult to articulate.

IMO I'm quite entitled to be concerned about this industry and it's conventions, best practices and outcomes even if I'm not a customer of this particular company.

[Uncle E]

IMO I'm quite entitled to be concerned about this industry ands it's conventions, best practices and outcomes even if I'm not a customer of this particular company.

Kids with their entitlement these days!

I'm kidding. You can do whatever you like. No one is censoring you. We're having a friendly discussion.