Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[P900]

All good man. I did have a hot head because I believed in the sound I am producing and I wanted to go against all odds and swim upstream and defend my plugins and their prices with nails and teeth. But as I started gaining recognition for my work, especially that I am not hard copying old hardware circuits nor their visual interface but instead designing unique virtual machines with unique circuits (O2, SOUL, Oomph, SWEET, etc...) and unique GUI, I felt no further need to defend my designs with those who disagree with me.
But to defend my reputation, I will do so with nails and teeth.

[eecrumjr77]

All good man. I did have a hot head because I believed in the sound I am producing and I wanted to go against all odds and swim upstream and defend my plugins and their prices with nails and teeth. But as I started gaining recognition for my work, especially that I am not hard copying old hardware circuits nor their visual interface but instead designing unique virtual machines with unique circuits (O2, SOUL, Oomph, SWEET, etc...) and unique GUI, I felt no further need to defend my designs with those who disagree with me.
But to defend my reputation, I will do so with nails and teeth.

Ultimately, we all want to see the bar raised. I don't mind if the person who makes that happen does so with a bit of pride, though I personally prefer to see justified pride tempered by a helping of humility.

The circle jerk routine is what makes some of us wary. Maybe it's just genuine enthusiasm. Regardless, I appreciate your trial policy so I can make my mind up independently.

[idoru97214]

...many of his customers, advocates and collaborators also seem to be high on his farts.

Absolutely impossible. I am a customer in the USA, which is literally on the other side of the planet as Z. I couldn't smell his farts if I tried.

[idoru97214]

Still 57% cheaper than where I live...

Bro, you live in heaven on earth...

Thats besides the point, whats the matter wit you!? bzzt...

Im simply establishing my frame of reference.
Besides, im sure its not much better where you are. I have no sympathy for the guy due
to his cost of living, which is nothing compared to mine. So there...

Ok. I have been letting your complete insensitivity lie for a couple days since your initial absurdly entitled remark about this. "Simply establishing my frame of reference." What you are establishing is that you live in one of the highest cost of living environments on the planet that is widely considered near ideal but which 90% PLUS of the people living on Earth could not EVER come close to affording, AND you are offended by someone charging what is less than what people on Maui pay for a fancy meal for a plugin, because he might be getting some local equivalent to wealth around said transaction. <----- Holy f**k. (Insert appropriate insult here) *shrug*

[pekbro]

I live here because im from here, Im not rich by any means. My rent takes over 100% of my
pay checks, fortunately thats not my only
income. So f*ck off...

[bmanic]

Thursday night jam, all mixing and mastering plugins removed! (Google Drive, mp3 3.8mb)

Could I trouble you to upload a version with only P450/P455 removed?

Would be very tedious to compensate for the large changes in EQ and compression.. and gain changes (not to mention some automation).

But sure, I can do that but don't expect anything pretty!

To do this properly I'd have to save every channels presets, use Plugin Doctor to match the EQ curves and tonality changes as well as possible and then substitute the compression with something similar (which doesn't exist) or something close enough. That's probably several hours of work and I don't feel like doing that unless somebody wants to pay me for the work.

[bmanic]

The circle jerk routine is what makes some of us wary. Maybe it's just genuine enthusiasm. Regardless, I appreciate your trial policy so I can make my mind up independently.

Circle jerking does very often lead to echo chambers so whenever you do encounter it, you are doing the world a favor by questioning it and being extremely skeptical.

However, this questioning can be done without malicious intent and without cynicism. This is where it all went downhill over at GS and why I never continued reading nor participating in the Pulsar Audio threads as they got so toxic (yes, I was a coward and that was a failing on my part for sure.. I bailed out).

Another thing that is easily miss communicated online, with plain text, is enthusiasm or pride. It can very easily be interpreted as shilling (and rightly so!) or arrogance, which itself is sort related to pride.

This is why discourse is such a good thing and should never be censored, no matter how ugly it gets. It will inevitably in the end lead to some sort of understanding, even if it can feel nasty at times.. but time heals wounds and forgivness is a skill that can be taught and learned. The end results are almost always worth the pain.

[Uncle E]

To do this properly I'd have to save every channels presets, use Plugin Doctor to match the EQ curves and tonality changes as well as possible and then substitute the compression with something similar (which doesn't exist) or something close enough. That's probably several hours of work and I don't feel like doing that unless somebody wants to pay me for the work.

Oh, I hope you don’t do anything except turn off P450/P455. I’m curious to hear exactly what difference it’s making.

[bmanic]

To do this properly I'd have to save every channels presets, use Plugin Doctor to match the EQ curves and tonality changes as well as possible and then substitute the compression with something similar (which doesn't exist) or something close enough. That's probably several hours of work and I don't feel like doing that unless somebody wants to pay me for the work.

Oh, I hope you don’t do anything except turn off P450/P455. I’m curious to hear exactly what difference it’s making.

I can do that but you do understand that some instances are right in the middle of other non-linear plugins like compressors etc? This means that the difference you will hear has nothing really to do with P455 but rather with amplitude going into other processes and even the mastering chain.

EDIT: Done.. a few posts down.

[JerGoertz]

Just for fun and context as we are discussing plugins and their effect on production, I just rendered the Thursday night jam without any mixing plugins at all. These are just the raw instrument tracks provided by Triaz, Diva, Axxess, Knifonium (forgot I had it there, it just has a slight pulsating bass underneath it all) and Omnisphere, plus that one crappy drumloop from Noiiz.

Thursday night jam, all mixing and mastering plugins removed! (Google Drive, mp3 3.8mb)

Changes the vibe a lot but I kinda like it this calm. Guess I went way overboard with the processing eh?

Nice little tune, reminds me of maybe Fourtet or Baths. (I hope that doesn't date me )

[bmanic]

For Eric,

Thursday night jam, all P455 and P450 instances removed!

IMPORTANT NOTICE:

This version sounds like shit, not because the plugin does something super duper magical.. it sounds bad because the whole gain structure is completely changed and the low end is completely out of control because I used the filters extensively on the P455 plugin. This also means I can't push the mastering chain at all hard. I had to severely back off the limiters and clippers at the end so as not to render pure rectified mush.

So I suggest lowering the volume a lot on the original mix before doing any comparisons.

[Erik_Lucas]

For Eric,

Thursday night jam, all P455 and P450 instances removed!

IMPORTANT NOTICE:

This version sounds like shit, not because the plugin does something super duper magical.. it sounds bad because the whole gain structure is completely changed and the low end is completely out of control because I used the filters extensively on the P455 plugin. This also means I can't push the mastering chain at all hard. I had to severely back off the limiters and clippers at the end so as not to render pure rectified mush.

So I suggest lowering the volume a lot on the original mix before doing any comparisons.

I really like the writing of the tune, I think most of all. However, the differences between the two versions you have here are so different.. it's a good case study in that it shows engineering is part of the art form. Thanks again for sharing!

[Uncle E]

For Eric,

Thursday night jam, all P455 and P450 instances removed!

Thank you so much! Super useful! Yes, the low end is out of control but that's what I wanted to hear.

[eecrumjr77]

Another thing that is easily miss communicated online, with plain text, is enthusiasm or pride. It can very easily be interpreted as shilling (and rightly so!) or arrogance, which itself is sort related to pride.

This is why discourse is such a good thing and should never be censored, no matter how ugly it gets. It will inevitably in the end lead to some sort of understanding, even if it can feel nasty at times.. but time heals wounds and forgivness is a skill that can be taught and learned. The end results are almost always worth the pain.

I fully agree with you. We've certainly drifted a bit from the thread topic, but I think it's a disastrous development for society at large that we're increasingly eager to let thin skins and overwrought sensitivities short circuit meaningful communication. I appreciate your thoughtfulness and measured approach throughout all these posts (not just the ones I'm responding to).

Anyway. P450/455: sounds decent, not a turkey, not in my use so far any kind of a magic sauce that makes my work sound any better than what I'm already getting with other options I own. Today I removed all instances of it from a couple in-development pieces because I figured it was better to do so now, early in the work, than later when there's more to dig up and replace. Anecdotal but a sign to me of where my own demo decision appears to be going.

[planet_b]

I'd like to hear your alternative plugins for getting the soundstage and instrument separation like how it is just by inserting and tweaking the bias on this one. I'm guessing it's what other console emulations have been trying to achieve, but it's the first time I'm really hearing what it's all about. Or maybe I haven't demoed the ones that would have this level of special sauce in them. To me it sounds incredible, now the price is the only obstacle.