Pigment 4 vrs phase plant

[martiu]

Absynth!

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OnePingOnly

best alternative to Omnisphere ever created

[Hanz Meyzer]

These both synths are ok, but nothing against ZebraHZ. And both sound very digital, while Zebra gives you that nice cosy feeling caused by analog warmth.

[stoopicus]

Phase Plant’s filters…. Whatever…. And the UI…

Unsure what you're getting at there with the filters but I think they are awesome, in particular Ladder Filter and Nonlinear Filter.

Are you referring to the previous limitation of not being able to attach any besides the vanilla filter per generator? That's been fixed.

[liquidsound]

That's been fixed.

[Seelachsfilet]

Zebra gives you that nice cosy feeling caused by analog warmth.

[gondii]

Are you referring to the previous limitation of not being able to attach any besides the vanilla filter per generator? That's been fixed.

omg, that is amazing news

[dune_rave]

pigplant and phasements are both cool synth.

[stoopicus]

Are you referring to the previous limitation of not being able to attach any besides the vanilla filter per generator? That's been fixed.

omg, that is amazing news

At minimum it lets you add Nonlinear Filter directly to a generator now, anyway; I just did

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As before, the effect lanes can also be set to polyphonic mode (so one instance of the lane per voice) as well.

[mxbf]

Just bought both. Now I just need Icarus and Spire and I won't need another soft-synth for a long time. Except for Synplant 2 upgrade and maybe Arturia Collection X which I still want. (lol)

Phase Plant = experimental techy digital sounds
Pigments = bassy organic warm sounds
Both can take you to crazy places but I think they both are suited for the above and do better for those things. Phase Plants blows Pigments away in the tech-digital sounds.

But enter Icarus: this one, I think, excels at abstract, experimental sounds. I didn't expect it to be amazing but somehow it just is. I don't understand why, but it just is.

Unlikely I will ever open Falcon, Massive X, or a ton of my other stuff ever again.

[swilow11]

I don't know, I've got Phase Plant, Pigments, Spire (and more) and still find myself launching Massive X. Despite its shortcomings, it does some of the cleanest sounding FM heavy sounds.

[Jac459]

I don't know, I've got Phase Plant, Pigments, Spire (and more) and still find myself launching Massive X. Despite its shortcomings, it does some of the cleanest sounding FM heavy sounds.

I think phase plant remains an awesome tool for explorative sound design with its blank page and super intuitive canvas.

For everything else, I moved away from pigments, serum, spire, hive, Dune and almost exclusively use Avenger 2. All the other tools are great, but Avenger is just better at everything. Better routing, better FX, better oscillators, better filters, better shapers, better modulations, and each time with a little bit more features...
Try to watch the newly posted tutorial in VPS vengeance channel if you aren't convinced.

[mxbf]

yeah i have Avenger 1 and have used it on some tracks. its a pretty great synth and i really should keep it more close at hand. i have omnisphere as well. they all have their quirks and as time goes on can get dated in certain ways.

i think phase plant and pigments are a bit more focused. i don't like they layout in Avenger - but isn't that ultimately just to taste? the synth sounds very good and you can do great stuff with it, but it doesn't really fit my mental map. Phase Plant feels like a swiss army knife in its simplicity of design (for me) and i think the digital quality of it is inspiring.

Avenger 1 is great but the layout feels archaic imo. and when I looked at Avenger 2, I decided I am not sure there's a strong motivation for someone like me who was more hoping to see the whole layout redone. that might be stupid of me though, I'm watching the reviews of it now after looking past the GUI and seeing it really does have some interesting features. that Arpeggiator looks cool. I feel like I should probably just embrace Avenger and get over my bias against it.

if i have all these I really don't need Spire or V collection (at all)

son of a gun, Avenger 2 looks cool. But Icarus has that "Glitch" thing and Avenger doesn't. Even Thorn has the Glitch sequencer built in - it really adds a lot. Though that new built in sequencer on Avenger looks cool. Maybe I should just attempt to build my own VST.

[swilow11]

I don't know, I've got Phase Plant, Pigments, Spire (and more) and still find myself launching Massive X. Despite its shortcomings, it does some of the cleanest sounding FM heavy sounds.

I think phase plant remains an awesome tool for explorative sound design with its blank page and super intuitive canvas.

For everything else, I moved away from pigments, serum, spire, hive, Dune and almost exclusively use Avenger 2. All the other tools are great, but Avenger is just better at everything. Better routing, better FX, better oscillators, better filters, better shapers, better modulations, and each time with a little bit more features...
Try to watch the newly posted tutorial in VPS vengeance channel if you aren't convinced.

Oh I don't doubt it. But for the love of GAS, I'm trying to be content with what I've got. Which is literally already too much.

[Jac459]

Oh I don't doubt it. But for the love of GAS, I'm trying to be content with what I've got. Which is literally already too much.

Then I .

[Kross2]

I typically avoid the really bloated-all-in-one-Swiss-army-knife synths(like for example...an advert for Current popped up on FB....so I trialed it and it was unusable, in terms of CPU performance & the GUI instantly gave me eye fatigue.)
Also...I am more of a tweaker and not a sound designer, so an intuitive GUI and great factory presets are key, for me.
I didn't care for Pigments when I trialed it a couple of years ago...but then when Pigments 5 came along, I was hooked and when it went on sale for half price...I jumped on it. To make matters even more thrilling in regards to Pigments...once I bought Analog Lab Pro and bought some soundbanks for Pigments, I was really blown away.
In fact...with Analog Lab Pro & everything that I've added to it, I'm just oblivious to anything else in my vast VST collection...as the GUI and fluid workflow and all that there is to explore and create. Analog Lab is just a huge base of operations with everything at your finger tips and the instant layering of 10,000 or so presets will keep me very busy for many months to come. That said, I could not care a less about Avenger, Phase Plant or even Vaporizer, Surge XT, Vital...etc.,.