Roland Cloud

[vulpes777]

FWIW: JX-8P is exclusive to Zenology. The JD-800, other than being packaged inside Zenology, is otherwise identical to the Legendary plugin version. The Zenology Jupiter 8, Juno 106, and SH-101, are nice enough synths, but do fall apart a bit when compared to their (ACB modelled) Legendary counterparts.

Hey PAK! The ZENOLOGY expansion of the JD-800 and ACB JD-800 are not built the same. They are built with different modeling components as to have different advantages.

And both have an unfixed bug when the TVA T1 set at 100 rolls over to zero on random notes, making certain pads sound all wrong.

I have reported this two, possibly three times, provided hardware and software specs plus audio examples, and the farthest I've got with support is "You're right, it shouldn't sound like this; we'll let you know".

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Marco

[PAK]

The ZENOLOGY expansion of the JD-800 and ACB JD-800 are not built the same. They are built with different modeling components as to have different advantages.

Since the JD-800 is a digital synth, with no analogue components outside of the converter output, I’m genuinely curious to know how Analog Circuit Behaviour was used and what it modelled? Which presets demonstrate any difference(s) the most?

We have had very few reports of CPU issues with the XV-5080, but have had some since our last update. We have attempted to test and recreate these issues but have been unable to do so. It is very difficult to solve performance issues unless we can recreate them.

Even if fixed I'd still use Zenology anyway, so it doesn't actually impact my personal use. I'd be more interested in Zenology initial load time improvements

To recreate the spiking issue, all that's literally required is to load the Native AS (not Intel) VST3 in Cubase. Press F12 and watch the CPU meter spike back and forth. It doesn’t even need to be processing any midi data to show the issue, though it will get more pronounced at lower latencies (128 samples and below @ 48kHz.) So there's not really any steps to report / reproduce, other than loading it in Cubase (latest Sonoma) and observing..

[shatteredmindofbob]

A few points of interest for XV-5080 vs Zenology users.

Zenology didn't have reverb when they ported all the XV-5080 patches. You can hear this in XV-5080 patch "PR-B: 084 FXM Saw Lead" vs Zenology "PRST_E XV Collection: 212 FXM Saw Lead".

Zenology seems to be missing some FX like a timed gate. You can hear this in SRX Dance Trax "PR-A 001 Smash Beat" vs Zenology "EXZ012 Dance Trax: 001: Smash Beat".

Compared to all the SRX expansion cards, Zenology has most but not all the patches of those cards.

I can't help but wonder if Zenology would be more popular if Roland actually indicated that these expansion packs correspond to stuff like SRX units...

[Mogular]

The ZENOLOGY expansion of the JD-800 and ACB JD-800 are not built the same. They are built with different modeling components as to have different advantages.

Since the JD-800 is a digital synth, with no analogue components outside of the converter output, I’m genuinely curious to know how Analog Circuit Behaviour was used and what it modelled? Which presets demonstrate any difference(s) the most?

We have had very few reports of CPU issues with the XV-5080, but have had some since our last update. We have attempted to test and recreate these issues but have been unable to do so. It is very difficult to solve performance issues unless we can recreate them.

Even if fixed I'd still use Zenology anyway, so it doesn't actually impact my personal use. I'd be more interested in Zenology initial load time improvements

To recreate the spiking issue, all that's literally required is to load the Native AS (not Intel) VST3 in Cubase. Press F12 and watch the CPU meter spike back and forth. It doesn’t even need to be processing any midi data to show the issue, though it will get more pronounced at lower latencies (128 samples and below @ 48kHz.) So there's not really any steps to report / reproduce, other than loading it in Cubase (latest Sonoma) and observing..

It's easy to recreate on your machine, and it's also easy to recreate on my machine. my interactions with the Roland support people is that on their machines the problem simply doesn't occur. I have two mac machines, one is an M1 studio, and the other is a M2 MacBook pro. the issue occurs on the studio but does not occur on the MacBook. I'm not sure if we can lock it down to a particular processor. I seem to remember that the person that I was talking to was actually using a M1 iMac.

[PAK]

I have two mac machines, one is an M1 studio, and the other is a M2 MacBook pro. the issue occurs on the studio but does not occur on the MacBook. I'm not sure if we can lock it down to a particular processor. I seem to remember that the person that I was talking to was actually using a M1 iMac.

It was tested on an M1 Ultra. One would hope, especially given the prices they charge for some of their software, they'd given their support at least one Mac Studio to test with. But perhaps not..

[IvyBirds]

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This is especially true about the EXZ expansions for Zenology; I was comparing the patches of World Instruments against the corresponding standalone SRX...and to no one's surprise they are DRY. Drier than the Sahara Desert.

You can use that to your advantage if you ever want to sample them. Many of those were made by Eric Persing and are some of the best S&S patches made for the JV/XV line

They are fantastic to sample and turn them into other things. I like to load them into HALion7 and turn them into Wavetables or load into things like TAL Sampler or the Arturia CMI-V

Having them dry as a bone is an added bonus

[N 4 LIFE]

still a shame that zenology and roland cloud just sound like poop as vst in Logic. as Vst in MPC Beats, they just sound fantastic.
and yeah, ivy birds auto sampler is your friend these days. this past week i had several gigs where they was no internet at all. happens all the time in beach areas too, no internet, no Roland sounds. what a bunch of BS. don't get me started hahaha.

[IvyBirds]

and yeah, ivy birds auto sampler is your friend these days. this past week i had several gigs where they was no internet at all. happens all the time in beach areas too, no internet, no Roland sounds. what a bunch of BS. don't get me started hahaha.

I have a bunch loaded up in my Montage M just for that reason

[Jon at Roland]

Since the JD-800 is a digital synth, with no analogue components outside of the converter output, I’m genuinely curious to know how Analog Circuit Behaviour was used and what it modelled? Which presets demonstrate any difference(s) the most?

Though they are both digital, we utilize ACB technology to build the sounds on all ACB synths even if they are "digital". This differs from the model expansions, which are created within the framework of ZENOLOGY and ZEN-Core. The two have different benefits that are subjective to each user. Obviously with ACB you get the added bonus of the emulated UI and aesthetics.

To recreate the spiking issue, all that's literally required is to load the Native AS (not Intel) VST3 in Cubase. Press F12 and watch the CPU meter spike back and forth. It doesn’t even need to be processing any midi data to show the issue, though it will get more pronounced at lower latencies (128 samples and below @ 48kHz.) So there's not really any steps to report / reproduce, other than loading it in Cubase (latest Sonoma) and observing..

Thanks for this info! What machine are you running Cubase on?

It's easy to recreate on your machine, and it's also easy to recreate on my machine. my interactions with the Roland support people is that on their machines the problem simply doesn't occur. I have two mac machines, one is an M1 studio, and the other is a M2 MacBook pro. the issue occurs on the studio but does not occur on the MacBook. I'm not sure if we can lock it down to a particular processor. I seem to remember that the person that I was talking to was actually using a M1 iMac.

Hey Mogular! Thank you for your patience on this. I promise you we are actively testing for everything being reported and it hasn't been successfully recreated yet. Going forward we will focus on Cubase as mentioned and we are currently working on getting a Mac Studio for testing.

Any more info y’all have about the circumstances surrounding CPU spiking with the XV-5080 is very helpful, DAW, OS, versions of each, etc.

And both have an unfixed bug when the TVA T1 set at 100 rolls over to zero on random notes, making certain pads sound all wrong.

Hey Vulpes777! This is a known bug that we haven't got around to addressing yet. In the meantime, it's not ideal, but a workaround for this bug is to set TVA T1 to 99 instead of 100. And I’ll try and push for it to get resolved in the next round of updates for the JD-800. Thanks so much!

[PAK]

Thanks for this info! What machine are you running Cubase on?

Hi Jon,
Although you may have seen the later answer, just to confirm, it was tested on the Mac Studio M1 Ultra..

[Introspective]

I got that "New Instruments are Available" popup again this morning and, while I have trained myself to ignore that (it's never a new instrument), I decided to open up RC news today and look back on when the last instrument was actually released through RC.

6/16/2022 we got the Jupiter-4.

Three months shy of two years since the last new instrument.

(Galaxias isn't an instrument and you know it; don't even try.)

It sure would be nice to see progress on this front. It's pretty depressing right now.

[vulpes777]

And both have an unfixed bug when the TVA T1 set at 100 rolls over to zero on random notes, making certain pads sound all wrong.

Hey Vulpes777! This is a known bug that we haven't got around to addressing yet. In the meantime, it's not ideal, but a workaround for this bug is to set TVA T1 to 99 instead of 100. And I’ll try and push for it to get resolved in the next round of updates for the JD-800. Thanks so much!

Hi Jon,

I don't mean to brag, but that's the workaround I have proposed to the support staff when I finally got an answer to my ticket, it was early January 2022.

Unfortunately, since then a couple more preset packs have been released, and it turns out 99 is not a safe value for T1 anymore, though it was for the two factory presets I have reported.

Case in point: some of the recent pad presets stop acting weird with T1 at 98, some at 97...and then I gave up testing all the pads.

Honestly, this is not something that should take two years to fix, especially because it breaks the pad presets, which IMHO are a memorable part of the JD800 library.

Regards,

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Marco

[IvyBirds]

I decided to open up RC news today and look back on when the last instrument was actually released through RC.
6/16/2022 we got the Jupiter-4.
Three months shy of two years since the last new instrument.

 

I don't think we will see anything new from Roland for the Roland Cloud anytime soon, they have become a joke

Keep any lifetime keys you own, and if you have a subscription sample what you want and move on

It's obvious they are on life support and will be killing the whole thing soon

They can't event get the promised VST version of Galaxias out the door after saying 4 months ago it would be out "very soon"

At this point I feel sorry for Jon, he has become the new Akai Dan. He constantly has to come here and other similar places and put lipstick on the pig. I am actually embarrassed for him

[Septic Underground]

I think Roland main corp is stuck in the 70s and don't put enough resources into the RCloud. At least, that is my impression. I can remember that the number of subs was not very high a few years ago (20-30K orso) And with a team of 5-6 ppl that eats away a lot of the money reserved.

Roland just don't understand the new digital era and focuses on the wrong side of that.
The complete rehashing of decades old IP in the SRX and JV?XV software. And the leaning on the outer design and calling their rom/pcm digital synths Juno/Jupiter named variants etc. The Jupiter-80 for instance. It has nothing to do with a Jupiter8. I had one BTW (the 80 one )

The weird USB netdongles and so on. The non existing editors for a long time for the TR8s etc.

[Caine123]

I decided to open up RC news today and look back on when the last instrument was actually released through RC.
6/16/2022 we got the Jupiter-4.
Three months shy of two years since the last new instrument.

 

I don't think we will see anything new from Roland for the Roland Cloud anytime soon, they have become a joke

Keep any lifetime keys you own, and if you have a subscription sample what you want and move on

It's obvious they are on life support and will be killing the whole thing soon

They can't event get the promised VST version of Galaxias out the door after saying 4 months ago it would be out "very soon"

At this point I feel sorry for Jon, he has become the new Akai Dan. He constantly has to come here and other similar places and put lipstick on the pig. I am actually embarrassed for him

i hope not of course, but i thought about something like that for a long time. or there are really enough people staying subscribed... maybe we are the dumb customers and dont see how well subscriptions work even without putting much effort into it from a company's side? ;D