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TVD · Post by **TVD** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:46 am

headquest wrote:
ttoz wrote: I actually have a cool edit pro 1.2 license so i can get a good upgrade path to audition. tell me, does audition time stretch in real time, in preview mode too? i.e. before you add the loop to the project?
You configure looping properties for each loop, e.g. will it loop according to beats/seconds/simple? Will it change pitch or not, etc. You simply right click any piece of audio which you have brought in via the browser, select "looping properties" from the drop-down, and a dialogue comes up which you will quickly get used to.

Regarding time-stretch/pitch shift it gets great results. Once a loop is enabled, it gets a bevelled corner and you drag it out for as many times as you like. A bit like Acid.

My big concern is i really want to avoid anything that will tempt me to add vst instruments. why dont they make a host that is purely audio and reqire compatible and has state of the art time and pitch shift but no third party plug in support? maybe cause i'd be the only person to buy it
Audition IS that program. It is audio sequencer only (no MIDI editing or VST instruments, etc) You have 128 audio tracks to record on in multitrack view (can record up to 32 at a time depending on your hardware). Full mixer including busses, etc. Destructive editing in edit view.

Audition *can* import DX or VST effects, but you don't need to. The FX that come with Audition are second to none, including great sounding convolution-based reverbs, filters, etc, ... right through to incredible state-of-the-art noise reduction, hum removal, clip restoration etc. if you need it. Also everything you need to master, including CD burning.

And because Audition will work as a ReWire host, you can use its FX on your Reason tracks and do your Reason mixing in Audition if you choose to.

Having read your various recent posts I can see that Reason is gonna suit your way of working (as it does mine) and the sounds you get in NN-XT and ReDrum knock the spots off the other "soft studios".

I think that Audition will provide the perfect ReWire partner for you based on the needs you have mentioned, so I hope this helps. And good luck!

I'm so happy that I don't need Pro-tools yet, because Audition is great in its own right!

Notron User · Post by **Notron User** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:57 pm

Re: Tony's comment about Logic 7: didn't Apple snap up the guy who came up with the ACID algorithms so they could deploy him on garageband and logic's time stretching?

CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:49 am

...I got Storm 3 for Xmas, so I've just added it to the rest of my audio programs. I still feel I should play with it for a while, so right now I'm keeping most my comments to myself.

Eventually I plan to give it a review.

I will say now though that I can't seem to access the Arturia forums, the Yahoo! Storm Usergroup is filled with porno links, and it has the tendency to "burp" with audio samples.

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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:39 am

ttoz wrote: so i am still confused. it deosnt actually "preview" a loop in realtime at project tempo? i.e. before it is added into the track...from explorer?

No, its not designed for live use in the way that Ableton is. You can preview any loop in the browser (right hand section of window, although you can dock everything wherever you want it on the screen) but you will hear it at the tempo it is prepared at.

Also, I cant seem to find any info whether audition supports pdc. do you know?

Effects are applied destructively in edit view or non-destructively in real time in the multitrack view. In Multitrack view you can deal with pdc and freeze in three ways:

1. you can "LOCK" an effect, which is the same as Freeze. This pre-renders the effect itself as well as locking the audio in time (so as to avoid accidentally moveing it) and locks for "play only" (so you don't accidentally record over it). This solves pdc and freeze in one go, but is a little time-consuming, so often you may prefer...:

2. you can "prepare" the effect, which does some of the leg-work in advance so as to avoid delay when playing in real time.

3. you can put the effect on a Bus so it works for all channels at once

4. you can decide you are happy with the effect, go to edit view and permanently add it (you can save under a different file name if there's any chance you may change your mind!)

lastly, what's the audio engine like? live is ok up to 95% but at highlatencies, it craps out at 70% at low latencies

I have found the audio engine the best of any program I have tried (Cubase SX1, Sonar 3, FL5, Tracktion, Live 2 and 4).

Having said that, be aware that Audition does not support ASIO drivers as of v1.5. This makes not a jot of difference when using Audition stand-alone and for its core purpose. I have had no problems whatever doing multitrack recording using a laptop and Edirol UA-20 USB interface.

However... if you ReWire in Reason you may have some latency issues if trying to work in Reason as a ReWire slave. I use Reason and Audition as a standard configuration in my setup, but the trick is to lay down your Reason track in standalone mode before opening it up inside Audition. You can then render your Reason track, add vocal, mix, master, etc.

This means (unlike in Live 4) that you basically use Reason fully as its own program, and then use Audition as a finishing off program. Reason is the main event here.

By contrast, ReWireing Live 4 and Reason I find that Live 4 is the main event, and Reason merely acts as a sound module.

Think about how you want to work, and try out the demo of Audition. It is full-functioning, including save, etc, for 30 days:

http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html

Hope this helps!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:15 am

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v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:27 am

ttoz wrote:Ok, storm demo tried. it now takes the cake as worst sequencer ever. Orion is a complete work of art compared to this POS.

Correction
"Orion is a complete work of art compared to Reason."

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:30 am

On a different note you can try Computer Muzys its free

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:26 am

ttoz wrote:i've tried the demo..

so far:

latency seems way to high even at lowest settings.

Are you using WDM, MME, ?

time stretch wont allow you to adjust with initial tempo then destination tempo parameters! just some stupid percentage scale.

source tempo is as recorded - store the info in the file name if necessary...

destination tempo is the project tempo (see project settings)

Best way to do timestretching is to insert the loop into the project, right click on it, open loop properties and take it from there. In edit view you can also save the loop as a .cel file, which is Audition's proprietry loop format.

for mastering it seems useful as a well priced two track with the multitrack an added afterthought.

I wonder what the cd burning is like? is it beta like in CEP2, or is it a fully fledged burning software now?

fully fledged

also, cpu usage going by the blue meter, seems to max out very quickly even with one effect! it's at 25% just playing back a dry audio file!....so far..not too impressed

that sounds unusual

Audition is a bit deceptive - it seems very intuitive and obvious to start with, then you hit the wall working out some of the finer details. It's a complex program that takes quite a bit of time, but if you are interested, take the full 30 days to play with it. The help files contain the full manual, which is also excellent.

Hope this helps.

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Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:38 am

One thing about Audition that needs to be pointed out unless I am completely wrong here is there is no support for VST automation; you only have the option of applying volume, pan, & crossfade envelopes in the multitrack view.

It would be nice to be told I'm wrong, as I would sell all my other sequencers if I was..I've been using Audition for months now, ttoz, & it's the shizzle for rizzle, and like headquest said, has layers of complexity that require messsing with several times to reveal.

CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:42 am

It seems they may be working on the Arturia website. They have a feedback form for Storm, but it wouldn't take my data yet. Perhaps in a few days.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:46 am

Sicklecell666 wrote:One thing about Audition that needs to be pointed out unless I am completely wrong here is there is no support for VST automation; you only have the option of applying volume, pan, & crossfade envelopes in the multitrack view.

Your right, except that you can apply wet/dry automation for all effects and a few of the native Audition fx have automation parameters.

It would be nice to be told I'm wrong, as I would sell all my other sequencers if I was.

Me too! Well, maybe not, but one of my requests for Audition 2.0 would be better effects automation.

On the other hand I think that the "splines" for volume/pan/wet/dry curves are the most flexible I have ever seen, and one of the things that initially got my attention when I demoed Audition last year.
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