Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[gunnar]

Stop toxic destructive behavior. make music and love

[bmanic]

The DSP module was only added to JUCE recently, it’s a bit like using Synthedit.

Who told you this? Do you use JUCE?

I guess a better question would be: if I gave you $500, would you make P450/P455 for me?

Heres his dev saying "I used almost all of the filter types in JUCE"

https://forum.juce.com/t/highpass-filte ... cies/54987

Heres an an example where hes using the code for one of them

https://forum.juce.com/t/juce-filters-i ... knob/46869

I raised this with P900 on GS last year, to not even acknowledge its there beats the hell out of me.

I have absolutely no idea why you are pursuing these things and why you are taking things completely out of context.

Are you now going to start questioning all the chefs on this planet who use common spices in their foods? Heck, that's not even a good example as spices aren't integral to making food, whereas filters are at the very core of any kind of audio/electric engineering.

Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Basic filter topologies are the backbone of any audio processing, be it in DSP or not. A Butterworth filter is a Butterworth filter, analog or digital. A Bessel filter is a Bessel filter, analog or digital. If you keep going down your completely absurd path of reasoning, you'll end up in the 19th century where some of the OG geniuses came up with the math that lies behind all of this. So what if somebody copy/pastes a very basic building block that has been used forever by literally everybody else? Somebody somewhere invented the use of pepper as a spice in foods! Who cares!? The only thing that matters is the end result.

Even you should be able to run P455 through Plugin Doctor and see that it's a rather complex beast under the surface. There's stuff actually happening in it, stuff you can CLEARLY HEAR if you'd just bother. Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective but you can't deny the objective things. There is no snake-oil to be found here. It does what it advertises. It EQs, it filters, it compresses, it creates harmonic distortion (very complex distortion at that!), it creates some stereo separation using all manner of strange methods.. so it really does what it advertises.

So WTF are you getting at? Are you desperately trying to run a smear campaign against P900? Your efforts are as futile as the efforts of people trying to ridicule developers who use Synth Edit to create awesome little gems, even when they use CK libraries or heck even the stock modules. Same goes for Reaktor stuff, using the built in macros or old high level components instead of the more complex low-level blocks. Nobody sane gives a shit. If a synth is good and it works without issues, it's good!.

.. as @pekbro said more than a week ago in this thread, and I quote:

I don't think they actually model anything or use convolution, seems to me like he just does whatever he wants to get the sound he's after, regardless of the technical accuracy. I've only paid a little attention but I've never seen mention of whether there is actual circuit, component modeling or something else going on. Only speculation omp of course.

.. could very well be true (probably is!). Nobody cares! The immediately obvious results with even a little testing will show that this is a tool where the sum of the parts makes the whole. And I'll say this once more to be clear: Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that's the subjective part. The objectively measurable part is undeniable.

The only reason why 'component modeling' has become a synonym for "it's good" is because it usually IS GOOD! That's the relevant part. Especially when somebody like Andrew from Cytomic does it because he goes into every single little damn detail and he does it so incredibly brilliantly! But the absolute end all reason why people care is because the end results SOUND GOOD. Period.

We are soon approaching the time when somebody can just tell an AI "Make me a VST plugin that exactly matches <insert any super good hardware effect or synth here> in all circumstances" and it spits out a perfect carbon copy in digital format. Nobody will care! If it sounds good, THAT is what everybody will be using. Morally this will become a huge issue of course but just like pretty much every damn piece of electronics you own are in part made by slave labor, nobody cares. The end results are what dictate the path going forward. When it all comes crashing down and most of us are dead and buried, perhaps a new path will be forged.. but again, this happens due to the end results! Not because of how it was done.

/rant (sorry about that).

[Uncle E]

Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Basic filter topologies are the backbone of any audio processing, be it in DSP or not. A Butterworth filter is a Butterworth filter, analog or digital. A Bessel filter is a Bessel filter, analog or digital. If you keep going down your completely absurd path of reasoning, you'll end up in the 19th century where some of the OG geniuses came up with the math that lies behind all of this. So what if somebody copy/pastes a very basic building block that has been used forever by literally everybody else?

Indeed. The thread he posted actually demonstrates how base level and not plug-and-play the Juce filters are:

https://forum.juce.com/t/highpass-filte ... cies/54987

[hey212]

I've been waiting to find out what these comments from the MixBusTV guy were about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LGYFD9lBxo

[TBlake]

Gotta love Gnozzi using the the word "unethical" even after when he revealed he had pirated software on his computer during one of yt vids

[bmanic]

Gotta love Gnozzi using the the word "unethical" even after when he revealed he had pirated software on his computer during one of yt vids

Indeed. Again, those who throw stones in glass houses.. it's the same old story. Also looking at the wording from mr MixbusTV it seems like there was some ego involved and somebody got hurt.

Still, it's not the first time emotions get in the way of judging a tool. That is how I try to keep it. I'm not a saint either, I do avoid some companies products due to having bad blood between us but even in these cases I do buy their tool if I deem it worthy as just that, a tool. I can separate the product from the person/company and review or critique them separately.

People who can't do that are not thinking straight. Again that slippery slope goes all the way through history with some rather horrible people who have made rather wonderful tools or discoveries. Where does it end if you can't separate the two?

There's a reason I like the little quote in my signature and have had it for years. It tangents the absurdity of precisely these kinds of moral dilemmas.

[audenso]

I completely understand your sentiment. It seems like there's quite a lot of emotion and discussion surrounding a channel strip that may not be particularly remarkable. It looks like there are currently some more interesting developments like the release of version 12 of one of the best creative DAWs.

[Uncle E]

I completely understand your sentiment. It seems like there's quite a lot of emotion and discussion surrounding a channel strip that may not be particularly remarkable. It looks like there are currently some more interesting developments like the release of version 12 of one of the best creative DAWs.

Oh no Max for Live devices use pre-made objects controversy erupts...

[audenso]

I completely understand your sentiment. It seems like there's quite a lot of emotion and discussion surrounding a channel strip that may not be particularly remarkable. It looks like there are currently some more interesting developments like the release of version 12 of one of the best creative DAWs.

Oh no Max for Live devices use pre-made objects controversy erupts...

Total controversy There are some nice things about the new release… like Meld.

[pekbro]

Generally there are going to be some advantages to using built in functions.
Mostly in the area of efficiency. Assuming
thats what they are doing.

Regarding open source functions, i imagine
quite a lot gets used that we are unaware
of. I can recall a couple notable developers
whos entire product lines are built from
collected rather than newly authored code,
according to them (they alluded to that anyway).

If you know how to program, you can get
by with surprisingly little knowledge of
signal processing and whatnot.

[Uncle E]

It's the reason 5 similar plugins from different companies pop up at the same time.

[Erik_Lucas]

Also looking at the wording from mr MixbusTV it seems like there was some ego involved and somebody got hurt.

MixbusTV? Ego? You're kidding.

[bmanic]

Also looking at the wording from mr MixbusTV it seems like there was some ego involved and somebody got hurt.

MixbusTV? Ego? You're kidding.

Sarcasm? If not, just look at the posted screenshot. Nobody says things like that without having some kind of bruised ego. His words just basically say: "I'm such a huge name in the industry that I can literally destroy this dudes company when I tell the world!". Yet MixbusTV is just one of many typical youtubers. He ain't no "name" in the industry the way he perhaps thinks he is.

If that ain't ego gone rampant I don't know what is.

Still, I do sometimes watch his videos and I have nothing against the guy. Most of the time he is slightly less clueless than other similar youtubers..

[Erik_Lucas]

Also looking at the wording from mr MixbusTV it seems like there was some ego involved and somebody got hurt.

MixbusTV? Ego? You're kidding.

Sarcasm? If not, just look at the posted screenshot. Nobody says things like that without having some kind of bruised ego. His words just basically say: "I'm such a huge name in the industry that I can literally destroy this dudes company when I tell the world!". Yet MixbusTV is just one of many typical youtubers. He ain't no "name" in the industry the way he perhaps thinks he is.

If that ain't ego gone rampant I don't know what is.

Still, I do sometimes watch his videos and I have nothing against the guy. Most of the time he is slightly less clueless than other similar youtubers..

Most certainly sarcasm

[bmanic]

Also looking at the wording from mr MixbusTV it seems like there was some ego involved and somebody got hurt.

MixbusTV? Ego? You're kidding.

Sarcasm? If not, just look at the posted screenshot. Nobody says things like that without having some kind of bruised ego. His words just basically say: "I'm such a huge name in the industry that I can literally destroy this dudes company when I tell the world!". Yet MixbusTV is just one of many typical youtubers. He ain't no "name" in the industry the way he perhaps thinks he is.

If that ain't ego gone rampant I don't know what is.

Still, I do sometimes watch his videos and I have nothing against the guy. Most of the time he is slightly less clueless than other similar youtubers..

Most certainly sarcasm

Glad to hear. You never know.