KVR Audio

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:01 am

Hello,

Kinda self explanatory really. A lot of my tracks involve a bassline growing by opening the filter. The problem I have is that opening the filter raises the volume (as the high frequencies are let thru the filter I guess).

I usually overcome this by fading the wave file slightly. Is there a better solution, would compression make any difference?

I would try this myself but I'm at work.

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:04 am

Indeed. A compressor or limiter... Basically these are smart-assed automated faders

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:07 am

What he said.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:08 am

cheers guys. I'll get the hang of this one day.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:28 am

my filters have a seperate boost/cut

you could automate the volume down as the filter
opens (hover mouse over dials for cc #s)

CypherOne wrote:cheers guys. I'll get the hang of this one day.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:30 am

Cheers Matt. I had thought of doing that, but I wasn't sure I'd be able to match up the drop in volume with the filter opening if that makes sense. Of course if I could draw the automation then it would be easy. That's kind of why I was looking for an easier solution.

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:31 am

I think that its to do with the fact that lower frequencies are less audible on the average monitoring equipment.

The lower the frequency, the harder it is to hear it. So, if using a low-pass filter to achieve the bass, opening it, as you said brings in higher frequencies which are easier to hear, and the range of sounds that can be heard shoots up!!

A Kriminal sez, a limiter will stop unwanted volume spikes happening (the same way that a club does so that a DJ cant blow the PA)

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:32 am

Disclaimer: i dont actually do that myself

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:33 am

Bunnyboy wrote:I think that its to do with the fact that lower frequencies are less audible on the average monitoring equipment.

The lower the frequency, the harder it is to hear it. So, if using a low-pass filter to achieve the bass, opening it, as you said brings in higher frequencies which are easier to hear, and the range of sounds that can be heard shoots up!!

I know what you mean, however I'm using very good monitors

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:34 am

Kriminal wrote:Disclaimer: i dont actually do that myself

so what do you do?

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:38 am

CypherOne wrote:I know what you mean, however I'm using very good monitors

I meant ones for using in mega-arenas

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:38 am

oh okay. They're good, but not that good

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:39 am

CypherOne wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Disclaimer: i dont actually do that myself
so what do you do?

Partially deafens himself ever time he does a filter sweep

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:39 am

CypherOne wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Disclaimer: i dont actually do that myself
so what do you do?

Nothing, i dont use any compression in the mixing stage on any sounds, only when i master. I cant be arsed to set it all up, and it sounds ok to me so i just..erm...do that

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:41 am

Kriminal wrote:
CypherOne wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Disclaimer: i dont actually do that myself
so what do you do?
Nothing, i dont use any compression in the mixing stage on any sounds, only when i master. I cant be arsed to set it all up, and it sounds ok to me so i just..erm...do that

well me neither, until now at least. I shall give this a go later and report back (assuming it as least of some interest to somebody

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Basslines - Opening Filter Raises Volume