Available now: Tone2 Icarus v3.2

[fisherKing]

Icarus always sounds too clean.. also lots of lists to go through.. about 10 just for FM which isn't much fun when a couple of extra knobs would do.. I am selling my copy of V3, currently £85 but will drop it £5 per week until it sells and I am happy to sell it for £0.

why wait 17 weeks? i'll give you £0 now (oh wait, i already bought V3).

if you don't like it, sell it on the 'sell & buy' forum on kvr. or learn how to use it, and make it sound the way you want. whatever works

[Chipi]

What is the difference in quality and performance between Icarus 3 and the Korg Modwave VST beast synthesizer? Does anyone know?

I don't own Modwave native, but I have trialed it. Icarus has richer harmonics and is almost alias-free unless you force some distortion. It is extremely versatile, but it tends to lean towards a Waldorf or early Ensoniq-style sound unless you use the analog-modeled filters. However, Modwave native has a slightly more musical tone, especially when you use FM between the oscillators (Icarus uses true FM, Modwave uses PM). I also like some of Modwave's effects better, and the Polysix and MS-20 filters are more musical and controllable than Icarus's Ladder and MS-20 filters.

Icarus still uses less CPU (5-12% on Ryzen 3700X) than Modwave native (6-20%) overall, but Modwave has a few advantages such as multi-samples, dual layers, and more mod slots!

Yes thanks for your opinion and guidance, I was able to try the Korg Modwave demo [ the VST ] last night and it is really impressive and powerful. Just changing presets and keeping the previous one playing is monumental for those of us who play 'live'. The sequencer, the Kaoss and the triple arpeggiator make it really impressive along with the 'sub-oscillator' that you can add for the basses [wow what a basses sound!]. The final sound I would describe as somewhere between the quality of Icarus and the coolness but clarity of Serum. It costs $199 but there is a huge free library on the internet and besides being a sampler/wavetable it has a much higher quality of effects than Icarus. I think Modwave version 3 will be epic with Granular and analog synthesis. For now I'll take these two beasts of synthesis!

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Imho it's the opposite - Icarus is a swiss knife and can be hardware ''dirty'',if man know how to use it, but as somebody said it, opinion is like ass,everybody have it and bring it around with himself

[pizzatime1]

Icarus always sounds too clean.. also lots of lists to go through.. about 10 just for FM which isn't much fun when a couple of extra knobs would do.. I am selling my copy of V3, currently £85 but will drop it £5 per week until it sells and I am happy to sell it for £0.

why wait 17 weeks? i'll give you £0 now (oh wait, i already bought V3).

if you don't like it, sell it on the 'sell & buy' forum on kvr. or learn how to use it, and make it sound the way you want. whatever works

It sounds too clean to me - I am unfortunately an endless tinkerer so I know by now, I have gone back to Avenger which is the best sounding VST to me ( I wish it wasn't ). I will sell it for £30 - I don't want to lose money on transfering it. Cheers.

[Korg Supporter]

What is the difference in quality and performance between Icarus 3 and the Korg Modwave VST beast synthesizer? Does anyone know?

I don't own Modwave native, but I have trialed it. Icarus has richer harmonics and is almost alias-free unless you force some distortion. It is extremely versatile, but it tends to lean towards a Waldorf or early Ensoniq-style sound unless you use the analog-modeled filters. However, Modwave native has a slightly more musical tone, especially when you use FM between the oscillators (Icarus uses true FM, Modwave uses PM). I also like some of Modwave's effects better, and the Polysix and MS-20 filters are more musical and controllable than Icarus's Ladder and MS-20 filters.

Icarus still uses less CPU (5-12% on Ryzen 3700X) than Modwave native (6-20%) overall, but Modwave has a few advantages such as multi-samples, dual layers, and more mod slots!

Yes thanks for your opinion and guidance, I was able to try the Korg Modwave demo [ the VST ] last night and it is really impressive and powerful. Just changing presets and keeping the previous one playing is monumental for those of us who play 'live'. The sequencer, the Kaoss and the triple arpeggiator make it really impressive along with the 'sub-oscillator' that you can add for the basses [wow what a basses sound!]. The final sound I would describe as somewhere between the quality of Icarus and the coolness but clarity of Serum. It costs $199 but there is a huge free library on the internet and besides being a sampler/wavetable it has a much higher quality of effects than Icarus. I think Modwave version 3 will be epic with Granular and analog synthesis. For now I'll take these two beasts of synthesis!

What I want in the 3.0 firmware for Modwave is an emulation of the DW8000 filter, along with the mod-delay. KORG R&D missed the point of the 'dw' in Modwave.

[pizzatime1]

Imho it's the opposite - Icarus is a swiss knife and can be hardware ''dirty'',if man know how to use it, but as somebody said it, opinion is like ass,everybody have it and bring it around with himself

Sounds super clean to me now I have properly played with it.. I have owned pretty much everything over the years..

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

It's your choice man,no judging,just saying,that compared to other popular virtual synths,unique Icarus filters can be combined so to sound unique way,so to me Icarus is very dirty synth,not clean at all,but that's my point and taste.
I had this phase before every virtual synth was too digital or clean or whatever,then start to use more fantasy...

[pizzatime1]

No, that is amazing.. of course Icarus is a top level synth I just think others maybe fit me more but it is a 9.5 out of 10 type synth, it would be arguing over nothing - if you feel creative with it that is all that matters I think, can be the way it looks or one feature you like, it is all a personal thing.
Alcohol, drugs, they can be terrible, I have drunk properly for the first time since 27th December and I don't feel great.
Happy Easter to you.

[Korg Supporter]

Does anyone notice that turning the Volume knob for Filter 2 doesn't do anything in the beta?

[lnrdcroy]

Does anyone notice that turning the Volume knob for Filter 2 doesn't do anything in the beta?

Hmm, yes! I've been using it for weeks now and hadn't noticed until you mentioned it. I will send a support request.

[lnrdcroy]

But I do notice that it works when Filter 1 is turned on first and continues to work after Filter 1 has been turned off. It's probably a bug or a routing quirk.

[ChanceB]

Does anyone notice that turning the Volume knob for Filter 2 doesn't do anything in the beta?

It works if you turn on the parallel switch on the bottom left side of filter 2. It seems that the volume knob on filter 1 works for both filters when not in parallel mode

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

I checked it out. I can confirm that Filter2 volume knob for the second bus only has and effect when the filters are set to parallel mode.
If you are in serial mode you must use master volume, the filter1 volume knob or the filter2 distortion type 'volume'.

I agree that this can be confusing, especially when you use only filter2 and have set filter1 to bypass. I am wondering why noone including myself ever noticed it during many years. It seems that this knob simply wasn't used by anyone as it is usually redundant with the master volume. Sadly it much too late to do a change here. Icarus behaves this way since 8(!) years and we must maintain downward compatibility with patches and songs.

I'll try to find a solution that doesn't destroy patches and songs. If it's not possible you'll need to deal with it 'as it is'.

Sorry,
Markus

[Doggo]

A Superb Synth, the transformation of the tone2 image is a very inspiring thing that reminds me of how 'hello games' not only turned things around which isn't easy but ended up with +respect.
Well done Markus!

[Korg Supporter]

A Superb Synth, the transformation of the tone2 image is a very inspiring thing that reminds me of how 'hello games' not only turned things around which isn't easy but ended up with +respect.
Well done Markus!

Tone2 originally had a bad reputation?