Why did you leave Studio One?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

you are confusing the term "non-updatable" with "non-upgradable"

nah - an upgrade would be switching from Artist or Prime to Pro (or from Prime to Artist)...

Those options no longer exist. There is no Artist to Pro upgrade - it was cancelled in Dec 2023

The only "upgrade" now is changing from V6 to v7.

VP

[jens]

Yeah, they have changed their terminology to some unconventional definition, I give you that. But personally I'll keep calling updates "updates" and upgrades "upgrades".

[Vocalpoint Studios]

But personally I'll keep calling updates "updates" and upgrades "upgrades".

Got no issue with that at all.

All anyone needs to remember is that if you quit Hybrid and go with that "free" perp license they give you - you are locked to that "version" (7.02) regardless of how many more 7.x "updates" the rest of us "normal" perp license holders will enjoy.

The only way to get to 7.1 (and beyond) - is to buy your way back in.

VP

[jens]

Yes, got you now. I had misunderstood you - earlier the discussion was whether perpetual hybrid licenses could be changed into conventional perpetual licences with an update ("upgrade" in new Presonus terminology), which they can, and I initially misinterpreted your post as saying they can't.

[THE INTRANCER]

I think Gregor needs to do a video to properly explain it all in black and white... because this is going to really confuse people with another option like this.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I think Gregor needs to do a video to properly explain it all in black and white... because this is going to really confuse people with another option like this.

It is fairly clear once you wrap your mind around it - but I agree - the comms on this have been crap.

And - love Gregor as much as the next S1 fan - but this is not his thing to sort out. I would rather see the Presonus Software GM (Arnd Kaiser) explain this or someone higher up on the inside .

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Also wanted to throw this out there - if you use Diva (1.4.7) on Mac OR Scalar 2.8.1 PC/Mac - these two have major issues on Studio One v6.6

There is a Diva beta out that solves the Mac issue on v6.6 but Scalar is really busted. All sorts of nonsense going there like these tidbits:

1. User can browse and select a scale and play that scale by pressing the on-screen “pads” but if I drag a pad down to section C it shows a glitched graphic. You can play the pad but you cannot drag a new on to it.
2. You can’t get to the settings menu. You click on the little “cog” but nothing happens.
3. You can’t get to the sync screen. You can get to the system menu but when you click on sync nothing happens.
4. The default instrument “felt piano” plays fine. If I select any other instrument the list box shows the new instrument but the sound is still the felt piano.

Not to mention the God Particle (listed earlier somewhere out there)

VP

[FrankT]

I'm puzzeled, why would someone pay $399 for Professional when you can get it for $179? Whats the catch?

In general sub licences have a lower initial price point but cost more over time, i.e. increased returns for the company, closer customer relationships, faster innovation cycles etc etc. That‘s why every software company is trying to go for this model. Just stating the obvious…

Personally I find the hybrid model quite interesting. When my + subscription stopped I had absolutely nothing as even my v6 hw/sw templates wouldn‘t load in my last perpetual purchase anymore (v5). With hybrid at least you can continue to work when the subscription ends. I have zero interest in the S1 synths that now will be tied to Plus subscriptions. I never used a single S1 synth in my templates.

I like S1 just for the clean, intuitive, modern DAW it is. For the past weeks I have reactivated Cubase 13 Pro. And while Cubase has certain advantages the learning curve for simple things still is ….

So I might go back on the hybrid S1 plan until v7 is out and we can see which direction S1 is taking.

[chk071]

At least with the hybrid subscription, you get a perpetual version, although only updated with major and intermediate updates for a year, and with updates which should at least fix major bugs if there are any. Not great, as I'm really against subscriptions of any kind, but, if you view it realistically, even the 2 year interval between paid major version updates can be seen as a subscription, if you want to stay current. So, instead of 2 year version updates, you get one year version updates plus a Studio One+ subscription for a year. That's at least better than being left with nothing when your subscription runs out (a.k.a. renting the software).

[Vocalpoint Studios]

At least with the hybrid subscription, you get a perpetual version, although only updated with major and intermediate updates for a year, and with updates which should at least fix major bugs if there are any.

Slightly offbase here.

The perp license you get - if you refuse to renew - is locked to the version number of Studio One based upon the "timing" of your quitting AND the version you are using when you dump the sub.

If you quit Hybrid just 3 months in - and you were on v7.0.2 - better hope there is a 7.0.3 - because you do not qualify to "update" to 7.1.x or 7.2.x - even if it takes 14 more months for those to appear. If you quit 9 months in and 7.1.2 is current for you - that's as far as you go etc etc

The only way to get a "years" worth of updates - is make sure your sub remains active and you are paying that entire time.

VP

[chk071]

I don't understand. I thought the Hybrid subscription is 180 € for a year. Why would you quit after 3 months?

Or are you assuming that people don't do the yearly subscription, but rather subscribe monthly? I was thinking yearly, but, sure, I understand your point about the Studio One version sticking to the version which was current when you quit the subscription.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I don't understand. I thought the Hybrid subscription is 180 € for a year. Why would you quit after 3 months?

Not saying you ever would - just providing some context of what version of S1 you would be stuck with if you did decide to quit that early.

And it goes without saying that every user that decides to go Hybrid - will most certainly stay on for the year. But after that...

It is VERY important to keep reiterating that if someone does not renew Hybrid (after a year let's say) - this "free" perp license they get - is NOT the same perp license that I have - where I do get each and every "point" update for anywhere from 14-22 months.

They are locked - and need to pony up more cash to stay current. Either restart the sub OR hopefully (but still have not confimed) this specific perp license is able to be used as an "upgrade" to the next major version of Studio One.

VP

[chk071]

But you only get a perpetual license when you choose the yearly plan, don't you?

Edit: Ok, got it, from the FAQ:

With a Studio One+ Hybrid (previously Studio One+ Annual) subscription, a non-updating perpetual license to Studio One Pro will be awarded at the end of each annual subscription period, providing access in perpetuity to the user’s current version, plus maintenance updates, of Studio One Pro.

[jens]

Yes, you have to pay upfront for a year. There's not way to "quit" after three months, safe from deleting your account, I think - and either way it would serve absolutely zero purpose besides willingly throwing money away.

[dellboy]

I don't understand. I thought the Hybrid subscription is 180 € for a year. Why would you quit after 3 months?

Not saying you ever would - just providing some context of what version of S1 you would be stuck with if you did decide to quit that early.

VP

How can you “quit early” if you pay for a whole year on the hybrid plan?