Why did you leave Studio One?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

If Studio One Pro now costs $179.99 with a lot of goodies thrown in, then a simple upgrade to the next version at a slighty reduced cost does not make economic sense.

You are missing a couple of key points:

1. The goodies only last while you keep paying (Subs IN!)

2. You will drop $179.00 (x2) or perhaps $179 (x3) if a really long cycle occurs like back in the V2 days (V2 Oct 31, 2011 - May 20, 2015 = 1298 Days)

While I drop $150.00 for the same period AND get all the updates that come down the pipe.

The only tradeoff here is the "goodies" and we all have various opinions on the value of those.

VP

[chk071]

Vote with your wallets people, skip a numbered upgrade or two and maybe they'll wake up and smell the bad decision.

Call it a feeling, but, I'm pretty sure that enough people will subscribe that it will happen to be a good decision for them.

That's the problem these days. The mainstream just destroys everything.

[dellboy]

While I drop $150.00 for the same period AND get all the updates that come down the pipe.

You got the new synth?

How did you wangle that?

I updated to 6.6 and it was knowhere to be seen.

[eerie_audio]

Vote with your wallets people, skip a numbered upgrade or two and maybe they'll wake up and smell the bad decision.

Call it a feeling, but, I'm pretty sure that enough people will subscribe that it will happen to be a good decision for them.

That's the problem these days. The mainstream just destroys everything.

Perhaps, but it could also have an opposing affect of making people realize they don't need to upgrade, because everything they need is already there. And why support something that is going to be disguised as a Pro version but in reality is now officially a chopped down version.

What's next to come? Missing effects and features only subscribers get? Why is that even a question at this point, seems like something perpetual owners didn't signup for. Not sure that's going to leave a good taste, especially after the lack luster updates that have been coming out.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

You got the new synth? How did you wangle that? I updated to 6.6 and it was knowhere to be seen.

Well - that "new" synth is:

1. Not an "update"
2. Not worth the time, effort or brain cells anyone (including you and I) would burn trying to defend not getting it.

Let's be real - anyone who is even mildly invested in the Studio One playing field - already has their weapons of choice. The availability of this dinky synth should be a non-event.

Now - to be completely open - like many others - as soon as saw the way it was being doled out (to subs only) I immediately got a pain in my eye and felt a tad slighted - but then I stopped for a moment and quickly compared that to how many times I have used MaiTai or Presence XT in an actual song. When I arrived at my answer of 1 - that feeling faded fast.

My take - fire up Diva or Omnisphere or whatever your "go-to" is and forgot about it.

VP

[Crossinger]

especially after the lack luster updates that have been coming out.

Maybe one day we'll find out who the one single person on this planet was who asked for Dolby Atmos - and got it.

[jamcat]

First of all, Artist hasn't been discontinued, just the upgrade path. So if I want a new version, I'll just buy a new version. The price of Artist is the same as the upgrade price for Pro, so it's not like it's going to cost me any more. Secondly, I already have a Pro license, it's just not installed on any of my machines at the moment.

I never understood why you downgraded (other than because you’re stubborn enough to spend $180 just to make a point on KVR.)

So if the cost is going to be the same or more, what is the actual advantage to Artist for you? Can it run snappier, or more plugin instances? Is a slightly larger menu in Pro really that debilitating?

Even if you don’t care about 64-bit processing, musical notation, video import/editing, track presets, track overview, the chord track, the scratch pad, the lyric track, the show page, multi-instruments, the splitter plugin, etc., is it really a better user experience for them to be removed completely? I don’t mean just not worse, I mean better and worth paying more to get less.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Maybe one day we'll find out who the one single person on this planet was who asked for Dolby Atmos - and got it.

There is a couple guys on "another" forum who were happy.

But now they are unhappy (after the release of 6.6) becuase S1 does not include a free ATMOS "album" renderer and built in mastering suite and all the other doodads needed for this non-starter of a format.

Presonus cannot win no matter what they serve up.

VP

[jens]

How the f**k do you see this as "lying"?

I think they meant lying as in consciously stating something that is known to false -
I could of course be wrong though and they meant lying as in "lying in bed"...

I don't think you are half as f**king clever as you think you are - your comment makes absolutely no sense in the context of what I was actually asking.

It made a whole lot of sense, it just seems you didn't get it.

This time you even went as far as trying to redefine what a lie is in your stubborn fanboyism - I didn't let you and jokingly pretended to assume you must have misunterstood them entirely (I was kind of playing devil's advocate for a laugh - guess who the devil is... )

But hey, it's okay - since you're not exactly known for your brilliant humour I'm not at all surprised you didn't get it. If others have a laugh instead that's fine for me too.

[Crossinger]

But now they are unhappy (after the release of 6.6) becuase S1 does not include a free ATMOS "album" renderer and built in mastering suite and all the other doodads needed for this non-starter of a format.

Shipped with upcoming v7 - if you have a "plus" membership.

[eerie_audio]

You got the new synth? How did you wangle that? I updated to 6.6 and it was knowhere to be seen.

Well - that "new" synth is:

1. Not an "update"
2. Not worth the time, effort or brain cells anyone (including you and I) would burn trying to defend not getting it.

Let's be real - anyone who is even mildly invested in the Studio One playing field - already has their weapons of choice. The availability of this dinky synth should be a non-event.

Now - to be completely open - like many others - as soon as saw the way it was being doled out (to subs only) I immediately got a pain in my eye and felt a tad slighted - but then I stopped for a moment and quickly compared that to how many times I have used MaiTai or Presence XT in an actual song. When I arrived at my answer of 1 - that feeling faded fast.

My take - fire up Diva or Omnisphere or whatever your "go-to" is and forgot about it.

VP

It has a lot more to do with their intensions and the principles of the entire decision. Not whether or not you find the synth useful or not. One day it's just a synth, next update it could be a clip launcher locked behind the subscriber wall.

They should consider renaming Studio One Pro to something else than, if their planning to go this direction. Because, it's misleading to the entire audio community when you start labelling chopped down versions as "Pro". Everyone knows that Pro means all the bells and whistles, but to Presonus it means only some of the bells and some of the whistles.

What's next, the ability to render your songs only as subscribers? (Sarcastic) Where's the line drawn today and where will it be drawn tomorrow, and how much do they think they can get away with by twisting the perpetual license and subscription models? Brute force didn't work for Bitwig, Waves or Avid.

[jamcat]

next update it could be a clip launcher locked behind the subscriber wall.

That’s not anything longterm Studio One users would give a damn about. I don’t think it would entice a single one of us to sign up for a subscription. But it would result in segregating Studio One into two totally different products with two totally different user bases: fruity loopers with their subs, and the rest of us with our Pro licenses.

[jamcat]

You got the new synth? How did you wangle that? I updated to 6.6 and it was knowhere to be seen.

Well - that "new" synth is:

1. Not an "update"
2. Not worth the time, effort or brain cells anyone (including you and I) would burn trying to defend not getting it.

Let's be real - anyone who is even mildly invested in the Studio One playing field - already has their weapons of choice. The availability of this dinky synth should be a non-event.

Now - to be completely open - like many others - as soon as saw the way it was being doled out (to subs only) I immediately got a pain in my eye and felt a tad slighted - but then I stopped for a moment and quickly compared that to how many times I have used MaiTai or Presence XT in an actual song. When I arrived at my answer of 1 - that feeling faded fast.

My take - fire up Diva or Omnisphere or whatever your "go-to" is and forgot about it.

VP

Or plug in your guitar (Fender, of course.)

[dellboy]

next update it could be a clip launcher locked behind the subscriber wall.

That’s not anything longterm Studio One users would give a damn about. I don’t think it would entice a single one of us to sign up for a subscription. But it would result in segregating Studio One into two totally different products with two totally different user bases: fruity loopers with their subs, and the rest of us with our Pro licenses.

I agree, a clip launcher is not likely to appeal to many Studio One users. (Having said that, I just remembered that Pro-Tools has one). But now that Presonus is owned by Fender, then an audio looper type of tool (software audio looper pedal) is quite possible as an appeal to guitarists.

[jamcat]

I could see them including a plugin like that, particularly one designed to work live. I could also see them making it exclusive to Studio One+.