Arturia - Live in 3 Days

[wvshpr]

All I want is a well-made MIDI controller that is able to talk to the software and doesn't feel like it's from 2005. This product isn't it.

Would have been interesting if it was Origin 2. All components from the V-Collection instruments as individual modules.

[egbert101]

All I want is a well-made MIDI controller that is able to talk to the software and doesn't feel like it's from 2005. This product isn't it.

Would have been interesting if it was Origin 2. All components from the V-Collection instruments as individual modules.

Well it literally is V-Collection as individual modules, as it is Analog Lab in hardware form. You just can't edit those modules, at least without external software. What makes it cynical for me is that you buy an expensive unit like this and you still don't get V-Collection license included just Analog Lab. If it had a V-Collection license included, I think it would be far fairer a product.

[wvshpr]

Well it literally is V-Collection as individual modules, as it is Analog Lab in hardware form. You just can't edit those modules, at least without external software. What makes it cynical for me is that you buy an expensive unit like this and you still don't get V-Collection license included just Analog Lab. If it had a V-Collection license included, I think it would be far fairer a product.

What I meant is like a modular synth. So setting up a Prophet VS oscillator with a MiniMoog filter or combining a granular oscillator and an ARP 2600 oscillator for example and send that through a CS-80 filter. Of course add all sorts of modulation capabilities (LFOs, audio, step sequencers, etc.).

This is a boring product and it looks tacky and cheap, too.

[LFO8]

Well it literally is V-Collection as individual modules, as it is Analog Lab in hardware form. You just can't edit those modules, at least without external software. What makes it cynical for me is that you buy an expensive unit like this and you still don't get V-Collection license included just Analog Lab. If it had a V-Collection license included, I think it would be far fairer a product.

Bingo.

[SLiC]

Well it literally is V-Collection as individual modules, as it is Analog Lab in hardware form. You just can't edit those modules, at least without external software. What makes it cynical for me is that you buy an expensive unit like this and you still don't get V-Collection license included just Analog Lab. If it had a V-Collection license included, I think it would be far fairer a product.

Bingo.

I suspect including a full V Collection Licence will be the first thing they try if these don't sell as expected.

[Teksonik]

This video from Woody just happened to pop up on my YouTube feed this morning:

[gentleclockdivider]

This video from Woody just happened to pop up on my YouTube feed this morning:

Ah poor woody , didn't even get a review model so he's commenting on pictures
Why on earth even bother to upload a video ?
Nothing he said has any added value , it's just another opinion from a struggling influencer craving for likes .

[Teksonik]

This video from Woody just happened to pop up on my YouTube feed this morning:

Ah poor woody , didn't even get a review model so he's commenting on pictures

Yes he's commenting on pictures....just like everyone in this thread.

Nothing he said has any added value

Just like everyone in this thread.

Anyway I didn't comment on the video I simply said it popped up in my feed.

[teilo]

This looks like an great piece of gear for performers, but not including polyAT was a major blunder. Channel pressure only.

[VitaminD]

This thing looks great for stage musicians.

I also think here people commening on price vs keyboard computer and software are forgetting aesthetics when being on stage. Crowd who pay money doesnt want to look at somebody watching in to computer with regular midi keyboard. Also simplicity, you dont need aditional devices to boot up, means less worry if something crashes, you can control with a smartphone and quickly search for sounds.

Yep. I get the impression most people here at kvr are primarily programmers not players. This is a board for players. You setup your patch list off your song list, you dial it in, you play. The end.

Whether it is profitable for Arturia is another story. But at least we should consider the proper market for this product.

What I want to know though is if they will release the 88 and mini versions that were also listed on the bluetooth cert site? They also had a Polybrute 12 listed...

Also, in black would be great.

[elxsound]

This thing looks great for stage musicians.

I also think here people commening on price vs keyboard computer and software are forgetting aesthetics when being on stage. Crowd who pay money doesnt want to look at somebody watching in to computer with regular midi keyboard. Also simplicity, you dont need aditional devices to boot up, means less worry if something crashes, you can control with a smartphone and quickly search for sounds.

Come on… email alerts on stage are part of the show!

If you can’t bang out a riff while replying to your pops, then stay home.

[IvyBirds]

Yep. I get the impression most people here at kvr are primarily programmers not players. This is a board for players. You setup your patch list off your song list, you dial it in, you play. The end

As a gigging musician I am both a programmer at home and a player

At home I have every piece of software Arturia makes as well as an Arturia MIDI controller

People here and other places seem to think audiences care if you use a laptop on stage. They don't and you will see laptops being used all the time everywhere. Everything from small clubs to the main stage at festivals in front of a hundred thousand people to TV shows with audiences into the millions

You are right about how live musicians want to just load up a patch and play. Which is why this will hold pretty much zero interest for the overwhelming vast majority of gigging live musicians.

If this is marketed at gigging musicians ask yourself why would a gigging musician buy this? If you are a gigging musician you already are gigging with something. Chances are you have a gigging keyboard with a large sample based ROM that is already filling your needs. Most likely those keyboards also have the ability to load user samples, samples you can easily make using the Arturia software you probably already own and your DAW or even easier with an Autosampler program like Sample Robot

My current gigging keyboard is a Montage M8. I have around 100ish patches I made using Sample Robot sampling sounds from my Arturia Synths. My Montage gives me the same hands on controls to manipulate those presets as Astrolab would

When I gig Piano sounds are very important to me. On my Montage, Yamaha gave me multiple deeply sampled acoustic pianos that quite simply blow away the Pianos that Arturia has in Analog Lab. The keybed on the 88 key Montage is also the best I have ever played and gives me Polyphonic Aftertouch

Organ sounds are also important. Once again Yamaha's sampled organ sounds are incredible and unlike Astrolab I actually have physical controls I can use as drawbars emulating things like a Hammond B3. Drawbars are very important for expressive playing organ patches

Now the Montage is dramatically more expensive than the new Arturia board I get that, but Yamaha has a less expensive version of the same technology on MODX and Korg has the Nautilis. Both the MODX and the Nautilis come with multiple synth engines, and giant factory libraries of both sample content and presets, while also allowing for user samples

Most importantly unlike the new Arturia they don't rely on a computer or a phone App. They have large screens and you can do pretty much anything you want right from the keyboard itself. You can create patches easily if you want, but as a live player you can also easily set up layered patches or splits

As a long term gigging musician I just don't see live players who are not into sound design and are just looking for a preset machine wanting this in any significant numbers

As a long term gigging musician who also loves sound design I really don't see live players wanting this

As a home studio computer based musician who already owns all the Arturia software I really don't see any one wanting this

I just don't understand what Arturia is thinking here

Honestly I fell like they should have just made a 1U rack unit for $500 that ran Analog Lab and that you could connect via USB one of their Key Lab controllers that would integrate with it just like it was on a PC with the patches and presets displayed and the controls premapped. I would probably buy that

[VitaminD]

I will say just reading the comment sections of announcements and reviews (outside of kvr) I've seen several people saying this type of board is right up their alley (and they preordered). I just don't think the typical kvr member is really the main market for this board, hence the negativity by some here.

That is to say, I wouldn't base the lack of a market place for this product based on you or me. There are A LOT of folks who play keys and don't even know kvr exists. The music world is vast. If it isn't for you, then stop coming here to explain why it isn't for others.

This would be great for connecting up in a studio to a pc, working out your songs, then unplugging and not having to take the pc and audio interface. It's just one board, one power plug, one power button. done. It will simplify setups for some.

[davidka]

When I was almost ready to shell out lots of cash for an SQ80, Arturia released the SQ80 V. I found it sufficient for my needs and thus it "saved" money for me.
When I was on the lookout for analog monosynths, a V-Collection version with MS20 V came out, which also filled that gap for me both for sounds and financially. Pigments is a blast, CS80 is convincing enough for me, and given that the Toto guy also endorsed it, can't be that far off.

This logic might not apply for many, but if I choose to see things from this angle, it is a suite of 30 something different sound worlds in just one portable keyboard. Also the thousands of official and 3rd party presets.

Price can change, firmware can get extended. Time will tell, but I still do think this can be a good thing on the long run. I can only say I get the point why they made this.

However the gap in a drum solution is getting to be a pain point now. Arturia gotta step up to the current competition.

[liquidsound]

Doctor Mix seems pleased