E Sharp?
- KVRAF
- 14078 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
- KVRAF
- 8474 posts since 12 Feb, 2006 from Helsinki, Finland
Notes like E# happen all the time in classical and it's not even limited to single flats or sharps. There are plenty of classical pieces where some notes might have double flats (bb) and in fact for double sharps there is even special notation (x is used instead of ##; no idea why double flats are still just notated bb though).sjm wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 10:05 am I find it highly unlikely that the only music genre to ever feature a I III progression in A is jazz.
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- 20656 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
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- 7633 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
Google lies.
E♯ isn't the same as F♮ any more than A♯ is the same as B♭.
They're not even the same frequency in Pythagorean tuning.
...also, those F's aren't natural.
E♯ isn't the same as F♮ any more than A♯ is the same as B♭.
They're not even the same frequency in Pythagorean tuning.
...also, those F's aren't natural.
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- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
Bing gets it right.
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- KVRAF
- 8474 posts since 12 Feb, 2006 from Helsinki, Finland
There is actually a somewhat recent study (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z) suggesting that slightly imperfect ratios are preferable to pure Pythagorean tuning.
- addled muppet weed
- 111237 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
on a piano keyboard, where is e#?jamcat wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:25 am Google lies.
E♯ isn't the same as F♮ any more than A♯ is the same as B♭.
They're not even the same frequency in Pythagorean tuning.
...also, those F's aren't natural.
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- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
One key to the right of E. That's how you sharpen a note - you move 1 to the right.
Move to the left and it's a flat. Try this with F or C and blow your mind
So E# is the same key as G double flat.
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- KVRAF
- 14078 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced

It's right there, it's the left side of the F key. the LEFT side.
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- KVRAF
- 12172 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
It's the white key to the left of the F## key.
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- KVRAF
- 7633 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
That depends. Is it a well-tempered clavier, or meantone?
You could argue that none of the notes are really on a piano keyboard, except for C.
And even C hasn't actually been C since 1936.
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- 20656 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
And then a step to the right…
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