RonC
Cool Edit versus Adobe Audition
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
i disagree, in my opinion it runs at about the same speed... what are you talking about? Im actually having stuttering problems when mastering things down even on my athlon64 3000+.... pissing me off. I think we should have an audition board here, it would rule. Maybe I should toy with the bussing on it. That's my next idea
RonC
RonC
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 12 Oct, 2002 from Calgary, Alberta, Canada and a summer home on Salusa Secundus
I am another believer in the power of Audition 1.5 over Cool Edit Pro 2.0.
I am also noticing quicker (actually MUCH quicker) processing mixdowns, wave file load times and lightning fast refresh rates with Audition over CEP.
Just before Christmas, I worked on a rather large project for 3 weeks, using both CEP 2.0 and Audition 1.5. I started the project with CEP 2.0 and while I recognize that my system is ready for an overhaul and re-installation of WinXP, I was getting major crashes only in CEP's multitrack mode. At least CEP/Audition has crash recovery and will reload a crashed project to the place you left the project right before the crash (successful recovery 4 out of 5 times for me).
Due to some of the problems in CEP multitrack mode, I decided to install Audition 1.5 update version halfway through my project. I was going to wait until the project was done before putting on an updated version of the software but the crashes were getting annoying so I decided to install Audition, hoping to continue my project without further incident.
Now, I continued the rest of the project flawlessly in Audition. Not a single crash in Audition's multitrack mode and I was able to compare the speed, stability and performance of both apps since I used both for an extended time on the same machine with the same conditions on the same project with the same sound files.
Let me say that I did notice quicker load times in any waveform and song in Audition. Performing the same effects (noise reduction, hard limiting...) to the same song files in both CEP and Audition, I noticed that Audition produced the mixdowns faster - a large 32-bit file that would take 12 minutes to perform a mixdown or offline effects processing in CEP only took 9-10 minutes in Audition.
Also, I use the spectral view almost exclusively to edit imperfections and problems in any waveform. Therefore, I prefer to have the waveform scroll through when I press play in spectral mode with the resolution set fairly high and zoomed in rather close. In CEP 2.0, this is undoable on my machine as the scrolling was too jerky. Even when I would zoom out far enough to try and get the waveform to scroll across the screen smoothly, this was too difficult. I would have to set the spectral resolution too low and the screen refreshing was too jerky.
After installing Audition, the speed of the refreshing in spectral mode was one of the biggest improvements I noticed. Even with exact same resolutions, zoom, FFT bands, buffers... between both apps, Audition scrolled the spectral waveform pefectly smooth at close zoom. There was no jerkiness. I even set the spectral resolutions even higher and zoomed in even closer than in CEP and, again, Audition scrolled smoothly.
Finally, a MAJOR enhancement that Audition has over CEP was mentioned earlier by rpc9943. That was the spectral surgical edit I think was called the marquee selection tool. You can select any frequency range to perform an edit (in my case, click/pop removal).
In CEP, I had to select the section which included the whole frequency range to perform a click removal. In Audition, on the other hand, I can isolate and highlight just the pop or click leaving the rest of the frequencies at the time of the pop unchanged.
Also, I used to use notch filters on certain frequencies; it was a pain in the ass to locate the correct frequency band sometimes. The marquee tool allows me to easily isolate the particular frequency I want.
When I discovered this new marquee feature, I was blown away. I was hoping for something like it for some time now and the feature has come to fruition. This feature alone was worth the upgrade cost.
Audition 1.5 has extraordinary editing features and, to me, has far surpassed CEP 2.0. At least on my current machine (2.2 GHz P4), I have noticed Audition is quicker, more stable and has highly sought-after new features that I wanted for awhile (marquee selection tool in spectral mode).
Unfortunately, I have not had a need to test Audition's ReWire or VST support as the third-party plugin effects I use are DX, not VST.
Cheers,
Rabban
I am also noticing quicker (actually MUCH quicker) processing mixdowns, wave file load times and lightning fast refresh rates with Audition over CEP.
Just before Christmas, I worked on a rather large project for 3 weeks, using both CEP 2.0 and Audition 1.5. I started the project with CEP 2.0 and while I recognize that my system is ready for an overhaul and re-installation of WinXP, I was getting major crashes only in CEP's multitrack mode. At least CEP/Audition has crash recovery and will reload a crashed project to the place you left the project right before the crash (successful recovery 4 out of 5 times for me).
Due to some of the problems in CEP multitrack mode, I decided to install Audition 1.5 update version halfway through my project. I was going to wait until the project was done before putting on an updated version of the software but the crashes were getting annoying so I decided to install Audition, hoping to continue my project without further incident.
Now, I continued the rest of the project flawlessly in Audition. Not a single crash in Audition's multitrack mode and I was able to compare the speed, stability and performance of both apps since I used both for an extended time on the same machine with the same conditions on the same project with the same sound files.
Let me say that I did notice quicker load times in any waveform and song in Audition. Performing the same effects (noise reduction, hard limiting...) to the same song files in both CEP and Audition, I noticed that Audition produced the mixdowns faster - a large 32-bit file that would take 12 minutes to perform a mixdown or offline effects processing in CEP only took 9-10 minutes in Audition.
Also, I use the spectral view almost exclusively to edit imperfections and problems in any waveform. Therefore, I prefer to have the waveform scroll through when I press play in spectral mode with the resolution set fairly high and zoomed in rather close. In CEP 2.0, this is undoable on my machine as the scrolling was too jerky. Even when I would zoom out far enough to try and get the waveform to scroll across the screen smoothly, this was too difficult. I would have to set the spectral resolution too low and the screen refreshing was too jerky.
After installing Audition, the speed of the refreshing in spectral mode was one of the biggest improvements I noticed. Even with exact same resolutions, zoom, FFT bands, buffers... between both apps, Audition scrolled the spectral waveform pefectly smooth at close zoom. There was no jerkiness. I even set the spectral resolutions even higher and zoomed in even closer than in CEP and, again, Audition scrolled smoothly.
Finally, a MAJOR enhancement that Audition has over CEP was mentioned earlier by rpc9943. That was the spectral surgical edit I think was called the marquee selection tool. You can select any frequency range to perform an edit (in my case, click/pop removal).
In CEP, I had to select the section which included the whole frequency range to perform a click removal. In Audition, on the other hand, I can isolate and highlight just the pop or click leaving the rest of the frequencies at the time of the pop unchanged.
Also, I used to use notch filters on certain frequencies; it was a pain in the ass to locate the correct frequency band sometimes. The marquee tool allows me to easily isolate the particular frequency I want.
When I discovered this new marquee feature, I was blown away. I was hoping for something like it for some time now and the feature has come to fruition. This feature alone was worth the upgrade cost.
Audition 1.5 has extraordinary editing features and, to me, has far surpassed CEP 2.0. At least on my current machine (2.2 GHz P4), I have noticed Audition is quicker, more stable and has highly sought-after new features that I wanted for awhile (marquee selection tool in spectral mode).
Unfortunately, I have not had a need to test Audition's ReWire or VST support as the third-party plugin effects I use are DX, not VST.
Cheers,
Rabban
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- KVRAF
- 4048 posts since 18 Sep, 2004 from Places far less tedious than this blue trainwreck...
Marquee Tool+Click and Pop Removal=Photoshop healing brush for audio 
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Oh yea, the GUI is awesome. The color to everything is editable. Was it like that with cooledit?
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- KVRian
- 1313 posts since 29 Mar, 2002 from Salt Lake City, Utah - U.S.A.
I originally used the Cool Edit program that came with my Darla 20bit card about 7-8 years ago, thought it was great. I tried the demo for Audition a while ago. If I remember right it didn't have any vsti support. Great editor, great for audio. It's just missing that one last thing. Maybe the next update though, right!?
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
It doesn't have VSTi support & doesn't do midi or any of that stuff, & personally, I'm glad it doesn't..I get more work done faster in Audition that anything I've ever used..destrcutive editing makes me take my time & consider what I'm doing, and no VSTi support makes me pay attention to what I'm rendering in Reaktor much more than I used to in other hosts..
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- KVRian
- 1313 posts since 29 Mar, 2002 from Salt Lake City, Utah - U.S.A.
Hey Sickle, just noticed you've got a new song sample up for The Seven Deadly Sins project. "LUST" Wow! Cool as hell froze over. Very cool!
That song scares the hell out of me, I havn't had a song do that to me for a long long time. I'm really impressed, I didn't expect it to be at quite that level, for whatever reason.
I'm already sold, can't wait until the albums all finished. Before, I just had relaxed expectations, thought it would be decent, but that song got my heart and nerves juiced, I'm real anxious to hear the rest of the CD now. 
That song scares the hell out of me, I havn't had a song do that to me for a long long time. I'm really impressed, I didn't expect it to be at quite that level, for whatever reason.
I'm already sold, can't wait until the albums all finished. Before, I just had relaxed expectations, thought it would be decent, but that song got my heart and nerves juiced, I'm real anxious to hear the rest of the CD now. -
- KVRAF
- 2135 posts since 12 Jul, 2004 from Brave New World
first off it only recognized half the vst effects that I have. and in using the ones it recognized, half of the time the program crashed loading the plugin. the only reason I was thinking of upgrading was so that I could take advantage of some of the more effective convolution plugins. SIR is great and all, but the latency is really a drag when applying convolution to a track opened in multitrack. since the VST support was the only thing worth upgrading for and I found that buggy, I'll just stick with my DX wrapper and CEP 2.Barbed Wire Kiss wrote:Yeah, I've had problems as well. What bugs have you found with the vsts?
for now.
"Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together...." -Carl Zwanzig
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
Had many interuptions over the last couple of months, but we're all still working on our material..toine6 wrote:Hey Sickle, just noticed you've got a new song sample up for The Seven Deadly Sins project. "LUST" Wow! Cool as hell froze over. Very cool!
That song scares the hell out of me, I havn't had a song do that to me for a long long time. I'm really impressed, I didn't expect it to be at quite that level, for whatever reason.
Soon..
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I use both. The ReWIre in Audition 1.5 is excellent but is of course limited by the ReWire implementation in the slave program (which is varied). But if you use Reason as I do you will love being able to ditch Reason's mixer and bring each instrument directly into its own track in Audition and mix in Audition.Rabban wrote: Unfortunately, I have not had a need to test Audition's ReWire or VST support as the third-party plugin effects I use are DX, not VST.
Cheers,
Rabban
Real time effects work very well, and the "Lock" function acts like "Freeze" in the big sequencers.
VST effects in any program are less efficient than native ones, and Audition's own effects are generally better imho than most VSTs I have tried - also a fiarly comprehensive collection.
However, I did import my VST folder in Audition and had no problems worth mentioning - all of them work fine if I want them (which a few I do because they have no direct counterpart, e.g. Izotope Vinyl)
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
Didn't use Cool Edit, but I also concur. Audition is excellent. I'll probably never use another editor.
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
I forgot also that you couldn't open a mp3 in cooledit. With audition, I can quickly openup and MP3 and snag anything out of it without and external apps.