Beta Testing of Bitwig Studio 5.2

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Trancit wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 8:11 pm
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If you have much luck and have had a cristal ball to look into the future it´s possible by buying at the absolute correct point in time that your 1 year period will include 3 updates... but most of the time it will be just 2 updates...

It used to be 3 updates a year before but since 1 and a half year it´s more towards the 2 updates/ year cycle...
You don't need a crystal ball at all. Crystal ball are hard to get nowadays, even on Alibaba...

Easier to just get a licence code and activate it when you want, when the release happens.
If you do that you are almost guaranteed to get 3 updates...

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I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.

Anyway, let's be happy with what we have because this is how it's going to stay.

ps. was a bit hopeful that Logic would get a useful chord editor, but obviously not, m'eh
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 1:53 am I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.

Anyway, let's be happy with what we have because this is how it's going to stay.

ps. was a bit hopeful that Logic would get a useful chord editor, but obviously not, m'eh
Don't you have scaler 2 ?

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^^^

As far as I follow Scaler, it still doesn't have a piano roll. Only the notes of the given chord can be edited, and only its neighboring chord notes are visible.

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and Cubase
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 3:02 am ^^^

As far as I follow Scaler, it still doesn't have a piano roll. Only the notes of the given chord can be edited, and only its neighboring chord notes are visible.

vs

Image

and Cubase
Damn ! Last time I did serious work with Cubase (around 1997), it didn't have this feature... How come nobody told me.

Now I want that for Bitwig too.

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xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 1:53 am I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.
It's worth it to learn to play a keyboard and some music theory. I can record whatever chord progression I want and it is faster than any of those chord helpers. It is also more expressive cause how I play a chord is recorded, not only the note pitch.

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pdxindy wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 5:46 am
xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 1:53 am I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.
It's worth it to learn to play a keyboard and some music theory. I can record whatever chord progression I want and it is faster than any of those chord helpers. It is also more expressive cause how I play a chord is recorded, not only the note pitch.
Don't need. There is an humanise button in scaler AND Bitwig.



(kidding).

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Jac459 wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 5:20 am
xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 3:02 am ^^^

As far as I follow Scaler, it still doesn't have a piano roll. Only the notes of the given chord can be edited, and only its neighboring chord notes are visible.

vs

Image

and Cubase
Damn ! Last time I did serious work with Cubase (around 1997), it didn't have this feature... How come nobody told me.

Now I want that for Bitwig too.
this is EZkeys 2: Grid Editor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19B5PIzHeAE
https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezkeys-2/

I don't think Bitwig will ever have something like this, unfortunately
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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pdxindy wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 5:46 am
xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 1:53 am I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.
It's worth it to learn to play a keyboard and some music theory. I can record whatever chord progression I want and it is faster than any of those chord helpers. It is also more expressive cause how I play a chord is recorded, not only the note pitch.
I can play on piano but unfortunately, I can't build something nested like this from my head, even though these are usually what I like at the end
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It doesn't matter, everyone should enjoy making music at their own level.
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 6:06 am
Jac459 wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 5:20 am
xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 3:02 am ^^^

As far as I follow Scaler, it still doesn't have a piano roll. Only the notes of the given chord can be edited, and only its neighboring chord notes are visible.

vs

Image

and Cubase
Damn ! Last time I did serious work with Cubase (around 1997), it didn't have this feature... How come nobody told me.

Now I want that for Bitwig too.
this is EZkeys 2: Grid Editor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19B5PIzHeAE
https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezkeys-2/

I don't think Bitwig will ever have something like this, unfortunately
Thanks for sharing mate !

Let's go back to 5.2 now :-).

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pdxindy wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 5:46 am
xbitz wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 1:53 am I'm still sad because at the beginning I need Cubase, but once I have the chord progression and only need to tweak things, EZkeys 2 is good too in BWS. From that point on, Bitwig is amazing and very convenient to use.
It's worth it to learn to play a keyboard and some music theory. I can record whatever chord progression I want and it is faster than any of those chord helpers. It is also more expressive cause how I play a chord is recorded, not only the note pitch.
The only reason I like them is if they can suggest the weird chords that I might not normally think of and can only find through a happy accident, i.e. my hand decides to go on strike at that very moment. Otherwise, I just smoosh notes together and listen to how they sound.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? :(

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I'm still on v4 until I see 5.2 land out of beta. But in the last few weeks I've noticed a strange behavior in CPU usage jumping to 50-60% just on opening and before adding a single track/VST. This seemed to be after a couple of Windows updates (W10), so I did some digging and the only thing I could find was multiple listings under the firewall allowances (twenty or more with private access and two with public access). After removing all but one with private access, I reopened and it did reduce the CPU down to 19% on opening and then settling down to around 12%. Even this is much higher than it has ever been as I'm used to it running closer to 15% WITH multiple tracks/VSTs. Any idea what else could be happening here?
(Win10 Xeon 32GB)

Or is jumping on the beta the thing to get back the efficiency?

BTW, tested Cubase and while there was an increase there also, it was minimal. Which has me thinking it's mainly due to the Windows update, but affecting Bitwig the most.

Edit/add: task Manager shows over half of that is an anti-malware program. This tells me that the last Windows update doesn't trust Bitwig. Went into privacy settings and blocked all public networks (which have never been allowed anyway) and I'm back down to 15%-17% running three tracks/VSTs. I don't remember even seeing these privacy options before and I believe Windows chose these defaults.
Still open to anything else others suggest to be on the look out for though.

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^^^ can try the beta from Splice: https://splice.com/daws/39084269-bitwig ... -by-bitwig. Bitwig can handle multiple accounts, just be careful and don't save your existing projects with it
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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xbitz wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:56 am ^^^ can try the beta from Splice: https://splice.com/daws/39084269-bitwig ... -by-bitwig. Bitwig can handle multiple accounts, just be careful and don't save your existing projects with it
I have the new license, but decided to wait until 5.2 (a practice I fell into with Harrison Mixbus as the versions between x.0 and x.19 always had the same bugs.) It's also about getting what I feel would be the maximum of updates before needing to re-up.
At this point, I'm more focused on Windows making problems than Bitwig.

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Is 5.2 still beta?
I can't figure out why Win 10 defender continues to "see" 4.4 as a possible problem adding an additional CPU usage of up to 45% and forcing Bitwig to respond with a 25%-50% usage on top of that. I've turned off defender completely and that returns Bitwig back to using just 7%-19% but then defender turns itself back on and repeats the previous problem.
And this only happens with Bitwig. Cubase 13 is running at the lower numbers and is triggering Win Defender at all.
Any ideas to share about this?

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