I do like arps. See my PS above.hey212 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:39 pm Are we talking about the push button songs or are we talking about arps? The push button songs often have drums and several melodic layers, very different than a single arp. If you don't like the arps, they have an off button, then they're just normal playable patches.
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- KVRist
- 499 posts since 1 Dec, 2021
- KVRAF
- 13458 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
For me, anything that is sounded melodically or harmonically that I didn't play, and also for me the push button songs with drums and the sequences that I play one note or chord and it then gives me a whole chord progression etc.
But I like arps too, that are, well arps, not the generative arps..![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
It gets tricky to fully describe..
And some become Gray Areas for me.
But in Vengeance Parlance it is definitely the SEQ patches and a few of the ARP patches.
rsp
But I like arps too, that are, well arps, not the generative arps..
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
It gets tricky to fully describe..
And some become Gray Areas for me.
But in Vengeance Parlance it is definitely the SEQ patches and a few of the ARP patches.
rsp
sound sculptist
- KVRist
- 499 posts since 1 Dec, 2021
Yeah. For me arps are like musicians playing rhythmically the notes of a chord progression that I'm playing on the keyboard. Then comes Manuel, and asks them to play his chords instead. WTF?zvenx wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pm For me, anything that is sounded melodically or harmonically that I didn't play, and also for me the push button songs with drums and the sequences that I play one note or chord and it then gives me a whole chord progression etc.
But I like arps too, that are, well arps, not the generative arps..
It gets tricky to fully describe..
And some become Gray Areas for me.
But in Vengeance Parlance it is definitely the SEQ patches and a few of the ARP patches.
rsp
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
- KVRAF
- 3530 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Well that would be a neat trick on the beach around a fire....
- KVRAF
- 3530 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
He he, kind of agree on this one pal...robert_p wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:41 pmYeah. For me arps are like musicians playing rhythmically the notes of a chord progression that I'm playing on the keyboard. Then comes Manuel, and asks them to play his chords instead. WTF?zvenx wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pm For me, anything that is sounded melodically or harmonically that I didn't play, and also for me the push button songs with drums and the sequences that I play one note or chord and it then gives me a whole chord progression etc.
But I like arps too, that are, well arps, not the generative arps..
It gets tricky to fully describe..
And some become Gray Areas for me.
But in Vengeance Parlance it is definitely the SEQ patches and a few of the ARP patches.
rsp![]()
I think that if VPS was selling the expansions with sounds and no sequences, no ARPS for say, 2% discount, most of us would buy this option instead.
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 4 Dec, 2003 from Oregon, USA
Honestly, I would pay 2% more to ditch the band in a box crap.Jac459 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:28 amHe he, kind of agree on this one pal...robert_p wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:41 pmYeah. For me arps are like musicians playing rhythmically the notes of a chord progression that I'm playing on the keyboard. Then comes Manuel, and asks them to play his chords instead. WTF?zvenx wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pm For me, anything that is sounded melodically or harmonically that I didn't play, and also for me the push button songs with drums and the sequences that I play one note or chord and it then gives me a whole chord progression etc.
But I like arps too, that are, well arps, not the generative arps..
It gets tricky to fully describe..
And some become Gray Areas for me.
But in Vengeance Parlance it is definitely the SEQ patches and a few of the ARP patches.
rsp![]()
I think that if VPS was selling the expansions with sounds and no sequences, no ARPS for say, 2% discount, most of us would buy this option instead.
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- KVRist
- 346 posts since 28 Jun, 2017
I think Manuel and Rene done an amazing job. Now days with IA getting more and more advance we got new IA in Logic Pro 11 and nobody is complaining. I take advantage of the technology make you more efficient and it will get more and more advance I take it as a tool. All these Expansion if you halftime and chop the samples make a great trap beat
- KVRist
- 499 posts since 1 Dec, 2021
Sure, you can buy a table and cut it up into a bench...or just buy a bench if that's what you need. From my undersanding, Atmospherica2 supposed to be a Synth Sound Expansion - not a sample pack or construction kit.
- KVRAF
- 2498 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
no: Atmospherica, Cinematic Loops and Melancholia always were and always will be loop packs, or very flexible construction kits - or however you wish to describe them. Btw, we are not the only creator of loop packs in the industry, so were is a problem? If some KVR people want to do their own playable sounds, then please do. Its not that you need that expansion, or ANY expansion to operate Avenger. They are optional. And furthermore: yes, doing this almost 25 years now, we know our audiences and our sales. These expansions work. You can say in a nutshell, whatever the KVR opinion is, the reality is very likely the opposite
There are tons of people, who want to quickly create media tracks for their videos, background music or just make own tracks but with loops. (hey, its better than using a KI (at least at the moment))
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5618 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
For those whiners who have a weird obsession with playable patches, Simon Stockhausen does have Maelstrom out next month - pre-order for €38 https://www.patchpool.net/avenger_maelstrom.html
http://www.guyrowland.co.uk
http://www.sound-on-screen.com
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http://www.sound-on-screen.com
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Macbook Air M2 OSX 10.15
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5618 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
Some demos for the above:
https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... al_sharing
https://youtu.be/djFnKy3Je3I?si=jqmeAmopU-tSodNd
https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... al_sharing
https://youtu.be/djFnKy3Je3I?si=jqmeAmopU-tSodNd
http://www.guyrowland.co.uk
http://www.sound-on-screen.com
W11, Ryzen 7900, 64gb RAM, RME Babyface, 1050ti, PT 2024 Ultimate, Cubase Pro 13
Macbook Air M2 OSX 10.15
http://www.sound-on-screen.com
W11, Ryzen 7900, 64gb RAM, RME Babyface, 1050ti, PT 2024 Ultimate, Cubase Pro 13
Macbook Air M2 OSX 10.15
- KVRist
- 499 posts since 1 Dec, 2021
That's fine, I don't blame you for the fact that Atmospherica2 doesn't meet my expectations - it seems that you're on the same market as NI with their Maschine Expansions (which IMO are even more flexible and resource friendly). I'm happy for you that you have such a wide audience and glad to hear your sales are doing well. Peronally, I prefer playable patches and I already have more than enough of them - Avenger isn't the only product I use, so it's not the end of the world.msvs wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:21 am no: Atmospherica, Cinematic Loops and Melancholia always were and always will be loop packs, or very flexible construction kits - or however you wish to describe them. Btw, we are not the only creator of loop packs in the industry, so were is a problem? If some KVR people want to do their own playable sounds, then please do. Its not that you need that expansion, or ANY expansion to operate Avenger. They are optional. And furthermore: yes, doing this almost 25 years now, we know our audiences and our sales. These expansions work. You can say in a nutshell, whatever the KVR opinion is, the reality is very likely the oppositeThere are tons of people, who want to quickly create media tracks for their videos, background music or just make own tracks but with loops. (hey, its better than using a KI (at least at the moment))
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- KVRAF
- 3530 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Ha ha, I agree so much...
By the way while we were debating about loop or not loop in the extensions, I bought EDM4 and Dark.
They are great.
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- KVRAF
- 4671 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
the existence of a unified and reality-defying 'KVR opinion', taking into account the amount of arguments and general lack of agreement on the forum, is a convenient nonsense.
folks express opinions, other folks counter them.
Anyway, long weekend on the way, enjoy your copyrighted loops/non-copyrighted loops/non-loops and hope the weather stays nice
folks express opinions, other folks counter them.
Anyway, long weekend on the way, enjoy your copyrighted loops/non-copyrighted loops/non-loops and hope the weather stays nice
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- KVRAF
- 16269 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Thanks for the mentionnoiseboyuk wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:43 am For those whiners who have a weird obsession with playable patches, Simon Stockhausen does have Maelstrom out next month - pre-order for €38 https://www.patchpool.net/avenger_maelstrom.html
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