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Peter - IK Multimedia wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:14 pm There are four all-new reverb algorithms. It states this on the MixBox web page at https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/mixbox
Ah - so these aren't based on CSR at all, despite being the same four types?

I had assumed that it's a macro-system that controls CSR under the hood.

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vata44 wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:30 pm
Teksonik wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:08 am Seeing there is a sale on MixBox now reminded me that I already own it so I thought I'd give it some time today. One thing that sets my OCD to screaming is the EQ's are upside down. Low frequency on the top High frequency on the bottom. Not impossible to use by any means but drives me nuts. :?
Yeah, wtf 😳
It makes zero musical sense but then that's IK for you...... :?

Lotuz2019 wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:58 pm I posted this in June 2021 at gearspace:
Look at the new EQ-PA. At first I thought that was a good thing, but now it's inconsistent, because the other channel strips/equalizers are still 'upside down'.
Almost three years later this hasn't changed. :neutral:
Yeah it's not going to change. No profit in that. Just like the complaints for years about the fuzzy GUIs on the MixBox versions compared to the TRacks versions. They did improve them a bit but they're still not as crisp and clear.

I own all the TRacks versions of the MixBox plugins so I just use them.
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Yeah same, I just can’t get used to bass on the top, it’s off-putting.

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Can anyone who owns this and Guitar Rig 6/7 comment on how they compare CPU-wise, with roughly the same types of modules?

Cheers :tu:

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el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:12 am Can anyone who owns this and Guitar Rig 6/7 comment on how they compare CPU-wise, with roughly the same types of modules?

Cheers :tu:
You got me curious. I've got both and quickly compared it with Guitar Rig 6 and IK Tonex. Guitar Rig takes about ~3 times more CPU, but it also has a better sound quality and way more effects, e.g. the Raum Reverb just sounds great. I've also compared it to one Tonex Instance (but without an overdrive/distortion pedal in between) and it took surprisingly little CPU (even a little less than Mixbox). But that's probably because its not using physical modeling (which is CPU intensive), but a neural net architecture.

My Computer sports an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X with 32GB of DDR4 RAM. I used Reaper DAW.

Btw. Mixbox also loads quickly, which cannot be said of Guitar Rig (or anything NI). I don't play much guitar at the moment, but I currently enjoy the mix of Tonex with IK Mixbox as a pre-amp stage and some Valhalla Reverb / Delay as post-stage.
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Thanks so much for the very comprehensive reply. It's a very useful comparison, and kinda what I was expecting.

I have GR6, and think it's a fantastic multi-fx plugin. When I saw the recent Mixbox prices, I wondered if I could create a similar or better set of mixing patches in GR. But it didn't take too many of the Softube plugins for for it to start shooting up. It certainly would be the most CPU-hungry channel-strip I have.

Think I'll keep GR for special channels and bounce-in-place if things get crazy. But I may vey well jump on Mixbox, at some point.

Thanks again :tu:

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I think with the load times it is because MixBox loads on a module by module basis, whereas Guitar Rig loads in all of the modules, which doesn't make as much sense as that would consume more overhead.

Yeah, the "bass on top" layout drives me crazy too, I suspect they're trying to stay away from being accused or ripping off someone else's UI patent, lite Slate or something. Convention exists for a reason.

I don't carte too much though, many things in life has its idiosyncrasies, a Moog Model D for one, a Vox AC30 for another, this is just another one of them.

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jens wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:53 am
simon.a.billington wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:56 pm
concealed identity wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:14 am Edit: I just had a look at T-RackS, and I guess it's the Classic Studio Reverb modules from there.
Actually, I believe the versions in Mixbox have been refined a little.
I doubt that tbh since these algos where coded by Martin Lind way before he founded Relab.
Yeah as it works out they are different, They just have a similar look and sound to some respect, but there is nothing else they have in common.

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Question for people that use MixBox: is there any way to keep automations to the same parameters after changing the order of modules?

For example, if I have a Filter in the fourth slot and am automating the cutoff, and then decide I want to add something between the first and second slots, that automation will now automate whatever module is now in the fourth slot instead of the Filter.

Just curious if others have experienced this, and if there is any way to fix it or get around it.

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Not really - params are organised by slots, not by module.

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Aww that stinks, it's really my only complaint about the whole thing. I keep forgetting it does this and end up messing up a bunch of automation when I'm deep into a track.

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It does have its advantages - for example it means I can create a template for it in something like Komplete Kontrol or Bitwig and know that whatever module is loaded it will still be controllable

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aMUSEd wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 6:53 am It does have its advantages - for example it means I can create a template for it in something like Komplete Kontrol or Bitwig and know that whatever module is loaded it will still be controllable
Perhaps it's one of those 'Would be nice to have the option' situations :tu:

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el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 3:46 am
Think I'll keep GR for special channels and bounce-in-place if things get crazy. But I may vey well jump on Mixbox, at some point.
I totally recommend getting Mixbox as a multi-FX plugin, if you like to tweak your sounds you will love to play with the cool filters, the splicer, etc...
That being said I don't think it replaces any guitar amp. I use BIAS FX2 which I love too but Mixbox can't replace it.
I do sometimes add it after, for example to use its compressor and saturation or even reverb.

Mixbox is also a fantastic channel strip... Literally could land on every channel for most types of production. For the price it's really cool and it will get used, that's the key too .. !!

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paramita123 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 6:46 pm
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 3:46 am
Think I'll keep GR for special channels and bounce-in-place if things get crazy. But I may vey well jump on Mixbox, at some point.
I totally recommend getting Mixbox as a multi-FX plugin, if you like to tweak your sounds you will love to play with the cool filters, the splicer, etc...
That being said I don't think it replaces any guitar amp. I use BIAS FX2 which I love too but Mixbox can't replace it.
I do sometimes add it after, for example to use its compressor and saturation or even reverb.

Mixbox is also a fantastic channel strip... Literally could land on every channel for most types of production. For the price it's really cool and it will get used, that's the key too .. !!
Thanks! I did end up getting hold of it. Only given it a bit of a test, so far, but seems ideal. Not too interested in it specifically for guitar. Mostly want to use it as a channel-strip that has added bonus FX. Hard to go wrong, really :tu:

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