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I don't know how to do it, but if there is real curiosity about how much one platform is preferred over another, one could set up a poll. (Although the folks who agree with the results will not be good sports about it :roll: , and those who disagree will say "but that's only among KVR people who frequent the forum, which is not an unbiased subsample of all audio professionals; stolen election! :x ")

Still, I'd be curious about it, inaccurate as it may be... I've used both, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both. The things I'd like to see in an OS made for gigging (which I understand is not what is specifically being discussed, but what I need) is ... not available, and I find required OS changes in both break backwards compatibility in frustratingly difficult-to-diagnose ways.

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AnalogGuy1 wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 10:52 am I don't know how to do it, but if there is real curiosity about how much one platform is preferred over another, one could set up a poll. (Although the folks who agree with the results will not be good sports about it :roll: , and those who disagree will say "but that's only among KVR people who frequent the forum, which is not an unbiased subsample of all audio professionals; stolen election! :x ")

Still, I'd be curious about it, inaccurate as it may be... I've used both, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both. The things I'd like to see in an OS made for gigging (which I understand is not what is specifically being discussed, but what I need) is ... not available, and I find required OS changes in both break backwards compatibility in frustratingly difficult-to-diagnose ways.
In 2006 I sat down in Berlin with one of the top guys from Ableton at at bar. They at the time were reporting a 50/50 split in Mac and PC sales. They're fully cross platform, always have been, never seem to have releases that are better on one platform like Cubase and DP have had in the past. I take them as a great example of where the market is for agnostic developers. Especially considering Macs were less than 10% of the market at that time. This is of course not good enough for internet arguments, and somehow it's a bad take... :dog:

Now KVR for decades was super PC centric, any conversation about Apple included long rants from some user or another. I wouldn't in any way say this is a place that has a balanced user base, but it's closer than it used to be. I would bet Cubase and FL forums are dominated by Windows users, whereas DP, Logic, Pro Tools forums would be for Mac. Some of this is hard to quantify as well, Reaper might be a good cross platform choice, but Logic is so cheap that it's going to take 90% of the electronic music musicians that use Mac.

Then there's plugin developers, the reports are usually 50/50 or at the least 25% Mac. So in my world at least, all evidence of where the audio market is points to around 50/50 or at most 65/35. With PCs dominating the "producer" market with FL Studio etc. and Macs still in most Pro Tools studios, used for touring bands etc.

The point remains, it's not an inconsequential amount, it does not reflect the world wide Mac to PC user base, and it's a silly argument in the first place. :shrug:

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Every time I see this thread bumped, I think maybe there's an update ...no, just Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac.

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machinesworking wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 10:31 am
IvyBirds wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 8:15 am
machinesworking wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 7:28 am Please read what I wrote first before responding. I never stated the majority of people use macs in audio, I flatly stated it's closer to 50/50 than the 15% market share.
I'll just leave this here
machinesworking wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 6:33 pm Where I live it’s overwhelmingly mac for audio professionals
Only it's not which is why I wrote what I wrote
I live in Seattle, it's overwhelmingly mac for audio professionals here. It really is weird how people just decide not to understand. I never see PC's dominate here, in recording studios, on stage, at audio events of any kind. Maybe in Redmond? but not surprisingly Redmond is not a musical hub of the NW.
And that's awesome but you are using that as a baseline for your 50/50 claim

The reality is Macs don't have a lot of market share and never have and never will

Apples ability to break your software with OS updates and switching CPU chips only adds to the issue

Saying goodbye to all of that was the best thing I ever did for myself and my clients

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IvyBirds wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 2:22 pm
machinesworking wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 10:31 am
IvyBirds wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 8:15 am
machinesworking wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 7:28 am Please read what I wrote first before responding. I never stated the majority of people use macs in audio, I flatly stated it's closer to 50/50 than the 15% market share.
I'll just leave this here
machinesworking wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 6:33 pm Where I live it’s overwhelmingly mac for audio professionals
Only it's not which is why I wrote what I wrote
I live in Seattle, it's overwhelmingly mac for audio professionals here. It really is weird how people just decide not to understand. I never see PC's dominate here, in recording studios, on stage, at audio events of any kind. Maybe in Redmond? but not surprisingly Redmond is not a musical hub of the NW.
And that's awesome but you are using that as a baseline for your 50/50 claim

The reality is Macs don't have a lot of market share and never have and never will

Apples ability to break your software with OS updates and switching CPU chips only adds to the issue

Saying goodbye to all of that was the best thing I ever did for myself and my clients
The basis of the 50/50 claim is the sales figures of Ableton. That covers a lot of home DAW users.

As for commercial studios, you'd be a brave person if you claimed that Windows dominated or was even the majority in that situation. And there are other industry sectors, such as graphic design and photo/video editing, where again the Mac's market share is certainly healthy.

But yes, overall the Mac's share is 14% - ish (depends where you get your stats).

For the US there is a figure here of Windows 54.7% and Mac 30.6% (Oct 2023):
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272 ... ince-2009/

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Anyway, back to PG-8X...since it works well on an M2 in Logic under Rosetta, I'm not panicking just yet, however I REALLY hope that behind this silence, *someone* is working on it. I mean, I once thought AIR updating all their legacy plugins was an impossibility...

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hurricaneaudiolab wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 9:58 am Anyway, back to PG-8X...since it works well on an M2 in Logic under Rosetta, I'm not panicking just yet, however I REALLY hope that behind this silence, *someone* is working on it. I mean, I once thought AIR updating all their legacy plugins was an impossibility...
Are you putting Logic under Rosetta? Bitwig here works not under Rosetta with it as a VST M2 etc.

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machinesworking wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 9:28 pm Are you putting Logic under Rosetta? Bitwig here works not under Rosetta with it as a VST M2 etc.
No, that is not necessary. Logic runs natively and automatically ‘rosettas’ Intel-only plugins.

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