Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[eerie_audio]

Maybe I am a hardcore fanboy after all and I’m overwhelmed by the massive amount of thoughtful objective criticism.

You mean criticism like when they released SDK v2.0 and turned SDK v1.0 RE's into Vaporware, which left Reason 6.5 users holding the bag? And required a forced upgrade to version 7.0 in order to get and use any new Rack Extension released?

How about the fact they limited their RE development to Hi-Res 3D images for their Rack Extensions GUI's in Version 1.0, which was to future proof the graphics? But, later removed this restriction and allowed 2D GUI's, but by then a lot of the smaller developers that couldn't afford the tools required to make them had moved on? Like Valhalla and their awesome reverb plug-ins, along with many others? And was the reason a lot of the developers stayed away from RE's, which saved them from double developing, because later they integrated VSTs anyways?

And finally lead to them revamping the entire GUI and graphics to Hi-Res for Reason and plug-ins, which they counted as a major upgrade, instead of a basic feature that all DAWs already offered?

[JamminFool]

That's easily one of the most crucial missing features in Reason (MIDI loop-recording), yet whenever I bring it up people are entirely indifferent...

i'm not indifferent. i agree with you entirely. and i'm truly baffled why this isn't planned for Reason 13.

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

[jens]

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

Yes, this baffles me for years - it's just such a basic basic crucial crucial feature...

[LaLivre]

Yes, it's a lot of soooooo basic features missing. Oldschool basic stuff, not fancy new stuff. Why isn't the management recognizing that those basic features are extremely important for the reputation and the success of their software. They need to solve this fundamental software issues a.s.a.p.!

It's just unbelievable bad marketing and management - they advertise R13 with workflow changes and do not care even about ULTRA BASIC stuff like midi loop recording or folders.

U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E

[gentleclockdivider]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay
Normaly when you want to use the side chain feature of the masterbuss comp , we take the control room out , cut the low end with some eq and route it to the sidechain input like this .
The testcase is verry simple
A bass drum ( taldrum ) , and a highpass version as the sidechain signal .
Screenshot 1 , master out directly to dac , control room out in eq into sidechain buscomp

and rendred result , perfectly in phase

I tried an alternative method by routing the master out into an audio splitter
The first split out straight to dac , second split (this acts as a control room substitute ) to eq and into sidechain ( sreenshot 2 )


Result is a totally different because of an introduced delay on the right channel

Some might say that the order of cvaudio outputs is crucial so I routed the first output of the audio splitter in to eq and side chain , and the second to dac
Same issue .
Bypassing the eq doesn't help either
I don't know but the audio splitter is not reliable to use when using duplicate signals for sidechain features .

[hotmitts]

That's easily one of the most crucial missing features in Reason (MIDI loop-recording), yet whenever I bring it up people are entirely indifferent...

100% agree

[JamminFool]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay

Did you submit a bug report?

[mdx4ever]

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

Yes, this baffles me for years - it's just such a basic basic crucial crucial feature...

Not sure what you guys are referring to…?
MIDI Loop recording was always available since Reason 1 - built in instruments and now VST’s
Are you referring to external hardware synths?
Shouldn’t be any different…

[spacepluk]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay
Normaly when you want to use the side chain feature of the masterbuss comp , we take the control room out , cut the low end with some eq and route it to the sidechain input like this .
The testcase is verry simple
A bass drum ( taldrum ) , and a highpass version as the sidechain signal .
Screenshot 1 , master out directly to dac , control room out in eq into sidechain buscomp

and rendred result , perfectly in phase

I tried an alternative method by routing the master out into an audio splitter
The first split out straight to dac , second split (this acts as a control room substitute ) to eq and into sidechain ( sreenshot 2 )


Result is a totally different because of an introduced delay on the right channel

Some might say that the order of cvaudio outputs is crucial so I routed the first output of the audio splitter in to eq and side chain , and the second to dac
Same issue .
Bypassing the eq doesn't help either
I don't know but the audio splitter is not reliable to use when using duplicate signals for sidechain features .

FWIW I tested this with a sinewave and both channels are perfectly aligned. Maybe there's something at your source that is adding that delay.

[kmonkey]

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

Yes, this baffles me for years - it's just such a basic basic crucial crucial feature...

Not sure what you guys are referring to…?
MIDI Loop recording was always available since Reason 1 - built in instruments and now VST’s
Are you referring to external hardware synths?
Shouldn’t be any different…

Yeah, you can even purchase 3rd party RE Sequences which also has a midi step record (talking old school?). And it is like a piano roll on steroids.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... sequences/

[Pepin]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay

This was fixed in version 12.2.8
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... ease-notes

[xbitz]

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

Yes, this baffles me for years - it's just such a basic basic crucial crucial feature...

Not sure what you guys are referring to…?
MIDI Loop recording was always available since Reason 1 - built in instruments and now VST’s
Are you referring to external hardware synths?
Shouldn’t be any different…

should work without the magic workaround

How to automatically make ALT-Tracks while running a loop.

[spacepluk]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay

This was fixed in version 12.2.8
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... ease-notes

It's weird that only the right channel is delayed though.

[JamminFool]

in fact, the only reason i haven't explicitly said so before this was due to my assuming that it would be in this version. it just seems so obvious. and yet...

Yes, this baffles me for years - it's just such a basic basic crucial crucial feature...

Not sure what you guys are referring to…?
MIDI Loop recording was always available since Reason 1 - built in instruments and now VST’s
Are you referring to external hardware synths?
Shouldn’t be any different…

should work without the magic workaround

How to automatically make ALT-Tracks while running a loop.

cool trick. thanks for pointing it out.

however, i would still argue that it shouldn't be necessary to have to set this up for such a basic feature.

[Pepin]

Reason , audio splitter introduces delay

This was fixed in version 12.2.8
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... ease-notes

It's weird that only the right channel is delayed though.

Weird perhaps, but I'm pretty sure the bug does indeed add a delay to just one channel. I remember it being discussed numerous times over the years.