Behringer synth speculation

[egbert101]

I love comparison videos, but warning this one is long (1 hour). [Comparison starts at 00:10:40]

[kritikon]

theres only one thing from the behr that im waiting for!

Noel Edmunds when he was younger and beardless.

hes a right arsehole now, f**king about in new zealand, taking over loads of land and kicking residents out

Seems like he's one of those conspiracy nuts nowadays. They flourish in NZ in various rural parts that are far removed from civilisation, which is exactly where he lives now. We'll known for hippies and dropouts there, and not in a good way (though the New Year raves etc were good down there - gloriously isolated and in stunning scenery). The antivax was strong in many of them and the weed is especially strong down here. Long time since I indulged but last time I did, the bog standard green down here was equivalent to a mind-bending sensi back home. Not sure he even does drugs - I thought he was a clean-living type, but pretty sure he associates with anti-society nutjob types and no doubt that rubs off and magnifies his innate nutjobbery.

[kritikon]

I love comparison videos, but warning this one is long (1 hour). [Comparison starts at 00:10:40]

Thanks, I hadn't spotted that one. I'll watch properly later. TBH, I'm more excited about this one than most Behringer releases and I'm going to instabuy it when they're finally released down here. Those old Roland synths (pre Juno rubbish) always gave me the Yamaha CS type vibe, even though their filters are radically different. I'd love it if Behringer went for a CS30 or 40. I know they're aiming for a CS80 but they just don't appeal as much to me. A solid Dr Who-sounding 70s monosynth such as a CS30 paired with that MS5 and I'd be in heaven.

[kritikon]

Oh yeah...I saw mention of Polyvoks again recently.

Can't remember his name but there's a couple of old vids of some Polish guy abusing a Polyvoks and it sounds as aggressive, if not even more so than an MS20. Pure filth. I'll have to find it & post it.

[egbert101]

TBH, I'm more excited about this one than most Behringer releases and I'm going to instabuy it when they're finally released down here.

It's a thing of beauty, isn't it? I mean the build and presentation. I only wished they would do that with the Pro-800 and Polysource, because I find those boxes ugly but obviously cheap. But then there is the Memory (not shown in video) and Pro-16, which I think are going to be very hard to pass on for most of us.

[cryophonik]

"Behringer Fuhgeddaboudit" would've been a better name.

[kritikon]

TBH I'm a bit of a weirdo and could happily fuhgeddaboud any Moog. They could betterize it by making it fliptop but it would still sound like a Moog. I hope they do more fliptop stuff. I love 'em. MS5 next to my Monopoly...can't wait. I can envisage a sad geek row of fliptop synths around the studio all at varying flip height.

I should get out more...

[Constructed Identity]

I love comparison videos, but warning this one is long (1 hour). [Comparison starts at 00:10:40]

Nice video!
I watched with headphones on and loved the music.
The comparison seems like MS-5 is brighter than the Roland and in addition has less ocsellator drift. This makes it sound like a new version of the SH-5 and I wonder how much is affected by the age of the original. The MS-5 being 1/3 the weight of the original is also a good thing, but I hope the keyboard is better than what they did with the Odyssey. If there was a way to add oscellator detune, the MS-5 would be a great remake of the original.

[kritikon]

Yeah, I got round to listening earlier. Looks like MS5 modulates deeper for things like PWM and quicker ADSR envelope, so definitely an improvement there. Quite a few times the SH5 sounded initially dirtier and more raucous/characterful but with a few tweaks the MS5 got very similar, and obvs the controls are going to be subtly different to a 50yr old synth. Some differences, but the overall character was very much the same ballpark with a handful of pros and cons but only minor, and I think you're right in that a lot of the differences were down to a new synth having properly calibrated VCOs and filters and not as degraded as the old one. There was nothing really that screamed out "imposter" to me. The more I see of the MS5, the more I need to have it. I WILL have it...my precioussssssss.

My list of synths that Behringer have supposedly released but that are going to take forever to get down here at the bottom of the world is growing larger. MS5, Proton, possibly/probably UBXa, with hopefully Jupiter around the corner. I'm intrigued to hear what a K2 mk2 will offer over the mk1? I can't think of much more a MS20 actually needs.

[machinesworking]

It's a thing of beauty, isn't it? I mean the build and presentation. I only wished they would do that with the Pro-800 and Polysource, because I find those boxes ugly but obviously cheap. But then there is the Memory (not shown in video) and Pro-16, which I think are going to be very hard to pass on for most of us.

I'M looking forward to this. The thing that bothers me about Behringer is there's absolutely no reason to model old hardware down to it's imperfections. I have a Memorymoog and the only downsides are the modulation wheel is only assignable to the main LFO, and the footpedal controls should be assignable to anything and automatable with cc's. It should have a keyboard with aftertouch built in. Hopefully they do all that. They get the filter and oscillators right and Im in.

[kritikon]

All the noises are that UBXa is going to be the basis for all of their polysynths. So aftertouch and all kinds of bells & whistles we shouldn't expect at that price...will be there. TBH all of that extra diddlability they have with the filter, oscillator drift, degradation etc was absolutely unexpected by me and is a huge selling point. Individual filter/osc drift/detune/degrade/scaling on 16 voices - not sure anyone else out there offers that? Sounds like they'll do that with all subsequent polys. A Jupiter "Being Boiled" patch on 16voice unison with individually drifting/oscillating/fading osc and filters is going to be "Being Fkn Incinerated"

[egbert101]

Another comparison video. Enjoy.

[Scotty]

This was a Behringer pre production unit. I am not sure if it will matter or not but worth noting.

Another comparison video. Enjoy.

[egbert101]

If people are wondering why they (Model 15 & Grandmother) sound so alike, then perhaps seeing inside the Grandmother might take away the magic fairy dust and personal bias:



It's all surface mounted technology,just like your typical Behringer circuit boards.

[Aliens]

So pretty much like nearly all electronics from the last 30 years.
Good to know