TAL Drum - discussion

[davenose]

I found an odd behavior with the VST3 version of TAL-Drum v2.5.7. This happens for me in both Reaper 7.16 and Cubase 12.0.70, Windows 10.

When the first 16 pads are visible in mix view and the mouse cursor is hovered over a mix view pad volume or pan setting, mousewheel up vertically scrolls the mix view, but mousewheel down decreases the volume or pan setting.

Since it seems that ctrl-mousewheel always adjusts volume/pan when hovered over those items, this would seem to be a bug.

If there's a better forum to convey information like this, please let me know!

[chibchan]

With current version of tal-drum and reaper on linux, the behavior here is the same. But,the mix view has a scroll bar and the mousewheel is for scrolling. Or maybe a bug.
Patrick @https://tal-software.com/contactsupport is super quick most times with a response and,.. if it is a bug, it has then been submitted.

[davenose]

Thanks for the confirmation and detail.

I wouldn't consider it critical, but I have been caught myself a few times making unintended volume/pan changes after scrolling the mix view down in a 32 pad kit.

[jliu]

I'd like to request a feature to automatically create multiple layers when dragging multiple files into a pad's edit panel, as in this motion:



Also, Shift + Clicking to select multiple layers selects them separately (just like Ctrl + Click), when I would expect it to select a range of adjacent layers like how Shift + Clicking works in the rest of the plugin:



This is v2.6.0. Feel free to pass these suggestions on!

[neverbeeninariot]

I'd like to request a feature to automatically create multiple layers when dragging multiple files into a pad's edit panel, as in this motion:
[...]
Also, Shift + Clicking to select multiple layers selects them separately (just like Ctrl + Click), when I would expect it to select a range of adjacent layers like how Shift + Clicking works in the rest of the plugin:
[...]
This is v2.6.0. Feel free to pass these suggestions on!

Submitting feature requests is very easy to do @ https://tal-software.com/contactsupport

[orbeater]

I'd like to request a feature to automatically create multiple layers when dragging multiple files into a pad's edit panel, as in this motion:
[...]

Also, Shift + Clicking to select multiple layers selects them separately (just like Ctrl + Click), when I would expect it to select a range of adjacent layers like how Shift + Clicking works in the rest of the plugin:
[...]

This is v2.6.0. Feel free to pass these suggestions on!

You can drag samples on the add button to add them as layers, but only individually.
Adding multiple samples at once seems tricky. Even selecting them is not possible in the internal browser, as you presumably know already.
As far as i know, the Developer says, it's a framework issue.

Selecting multiple layers could be easier, indeed. Shift + Clicking should select a range, would make more sense as well.
I requested for a while to add an option in the contextmenu which appears by right-clicking on a layer. For now, there are just options related to velocity ranges, but a point like "select all layers" would be great added there.

Please send your request via e-mail to the developer. The more people request the same issue, the bigger the chance to get it implemented.

[andivax]

[AdvancedFollower]

Thanks for implementing this so quickly, the panel mode now does the expected thing!

One last thing I really miss from TAL-DRUM is that it does not report pad names as midi notes to the host. It would be great to have that feature implemented at some point, since this would facilitate sequencing in the DAW by a lot (currently the best I can do is to manually rename the notes in my DAW to "Pad 1" to "Pad 16", but then I still have to guess what sounds are on each of them while sequencing).

Perfect
We discussed the passing of pad names to the host quite a while ago and I don't recall what the conclusion was, I'll check and update.

Unfortunately this still hasn't been implemented so far, and I agree it's a feature that would simplify the workflow a lot since it would keep the note names in sync with the pad names in the plugin rather than forcing you to edit the name in two places.

Very few drum plugins actually do this, which is a bit odd. Even Battery doesn't do this, though FXPansion's drum plugins do. Also the stock drum plugins in Studio One (Impact), FL (FPC) and Cubase (Groove Agent SE) do this.

TAL-Drum:


FXpansion Tremor:

[TheWhistler]

Hello there, new TAL-Drum user here.
Happy so far but with at least one itching question (at least by now)
What does the mod-envelope do and how is it supposed to be used.
I thought fine, this is the one to use when I want to change the pitch on a sine wave to create a click for kick.
I connected it via the mod-matrix and thought I was good to go, nothing special here.
But I can´t get it to just quickly go from e.g. 12 semitones to root key.
It does something weird that I can´t figure out what.
Is my aim even possible? I could it get working immediately with using the env 2 but it ist then lost for the filter (in more special cases at least).
Can someone help me with that? Thank´s in advance.

[TheWhistler]

Got it sorted (kind of). It now works as intended. Don't know what went wrong first.
Mod env now pitches my kicks now for clicks.

[TheWhistler]

Hey there all together. Another clicky question.
I find TAL Drum to click on single cycle looped sample from time to time.
This should not be the case, right?
I have a sine wave that loops seamless in my audio edior. When playing it in TAL Drum it clicks from time to time.
Does this have to do something with cutting the sample right at the loop points?
I think I have read somewhere that there should be bit of extent after the loop to prevent clicking (1 sample at least).
Can someone confirm that?

The purpose of the whole thing is to create a kind of drum synth with at least 3 layers of sound.
One fundamental sine for the bass, one "1st harmonic" sine that is about double the frequency of the fundamental for the body and one noise source to synthesize drum sounds from scratch.

I could realize this with longer samples but I don´t want to just for sake of it and for more easy sharing/filesize.

Thank´s in advance

[andivax]

Hey there all together. Another clicky question.
I find TAL Drum to click on single cycle looped sample from time to time.
This should not be the case, right?
I have a sine wave that loops seamless in my audio edior. When playing it in TAL Drum it clicks from time to time.
Does this have to do something with cutting the sample right at the loop points?
I think I have read somewhere that there should be bit of extent after the loop to prevent clicking (1 sample at least).
Can someone confirm that?

The purpose of the whole thing is to create a kind of drum synth with at least 3 layers of sound.
One fundamental sine for the bass, one "1st harmonic" sine that is about double the frequency of the fundamental for the body and one noise source to synthesize drum sounds from scratch.

I could realize this with longer samples but I don´t want to just for sake of it and for more easy sharing/filesize.

Thank´s in advance

Interesting!
I've never encountered this problem and I've always used fades when looping.
But it might be also a bug.
You should submit a ticket to TAL, Patrick fix problems very fast.

[TheWhistler]

Hi Andivax and thank´s for the reply,
so it´s not a common problem.
I am talking of one full cycle on my sine wave.
I will want to investigate still a bit more on this and try with at least one sample of extent.
I will write a ticket to patrick then.

[andivax]

May be your sine wave is too short? Can you make a longer wave?

[TheWhistler]

May be your sine wave is too short? Can you make a longer wave?

Can this be the case? Every sampler I know (and know a lot of them from the early 90ies onward) could handle this with no problem.
Of course I can make a longer wave but why should I?
One full cycle of a wave is a common way to get some kind of spectral variety if you think of layers as oscillators.
A positive and negative half-wave. 3 zero crossings - start, middle, end.
I have an Elektron Digitakt as well which I use this technique a lot with.
I will export one of the working single-cycle waves of my Digitakt and will see what TAL-Sampler will do to it. Have to investigate.