Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[bilasta]

[, so you can give it to me really hard.

Ahem… That’s what she said

[dlandis]

I've been using Reason since Version less than 5.

Then you should well know that Reason was discontinued after V5 and Record V2 was renamed Reason 6.

(Which makes your whole line of arguing even more disingenious and agenda-driven.)

I hesitate to say anything, since this argument has gotten entirely too acrimonious, but...

Reason was never "discontinued" and Record was never "renamed" Reason. Record was originally an application that could run alongside Reason in order to pick up Reason's lack of audio recording (Reason was originally a "closed system DAW" with only a few devices: if memory serves, the sound generating devices were NN19, Subtractor, and Redrum. I don't entirely remember which FX devices were included. It did not recognize VST's originally. One could sync Reason to other DAWs using Rewire (since 1998) and Record (first offered in 2009) synced to Reason if Reason was on the system as well. Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

FWIW, I have used Reason since Version 3 and have owned every version since. I also owned Record when it first arrived and bought Version 6 (or 6.5) when Record was fully integrated into Reason.

For verification of what I recount here, one can check out the Wikipedia article on "Reason Studios."

[jens]

Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

Nope - it was the other way around - Reason was fully integrated into Record since version 1.5 of Record:






Together with Record 1.5 Reason 5 was released, which looked like this:





Audio-recording aside, Reason e.g. never had a dedicated mixer until "Reason 6". They only called Record 2 like that because Reason was the far more popular/known application.

[dlandis]

Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

Nope - it was the other way around - Reason was fully integrated into Record since version 1.5 of Record:

Sorry, but you are mistaken (at least from the standpoint of product line nomenclature and marketing; I do understand the confusion, however.) From the Wikipedia article:

(BOQ)

Discontinued
ReBirth RB-338 — now reworked as an iOS app
Record (incorporated into Reason as of version 6)...

(EOQ)

Also...

(BOQ)

In July 2011, Propellerhead announced plans for Reason version 6 which includes all the features of Record 1.5. This allowed Propellerhead to discontinue Record and create two different versions of Reason.[15]

(EOQ)

This last was noted as stemming from:

(BOQ)

15. Reason 11: Music Production Software | Reason Studios". www.reasonstudios.com

(EOQ)

Offered in the spirit of FWIW. I won't be following up with any other posts.

[jens]

Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

Nope - it was the other way around - Reason was fully integrated into Record since version 1.5 of Record:

Sorry, but you are mistaken (at least the standpoint of product line nomenclature and marketing; I do understand the confusion, however.)

Sorry, but the confusion isn't on my part here. There is no point in jumping right in the middle of a discussion without considering the actual context, but that is exactly what you did here.

Let me remind you:
I wasn't the one who brought this up in the first place anyway - and as I said it's a moot argument in its entirety, but sQeetz replied to my suggestions regarding the improvement of Reason the DAW, basically claiming that my suggestions make no sense because... [he talked some nonsensical OT rubbish, mentioning Cubase Logic and Pro Tools as if they had anything to do with anything that's been said in this thread at all] to then round it all off with claiming that

"It is a DAW you can use to record your stuff with, yes... could there be stuff added to make this task easier... of course. But one has to keep in mind, that that's not what it was meant to be. It's something it haphazardly evolved into."


In this context it doesn't matter at all how they call it - that's mere marketing - the point of my reply is, - and again: it's a completely irrelevant argument to begin with - that Reason 6 (and subsequent versions) was clearly based on the code that started its life as "Record" i.e. initially an audio-only DAW that was meant to - doh - record audio. It wasn't Reason that got audio-recording added as an after-thought. Instead MIDI was the after-thought.

So: they could have named it "Hyperfart 2000", "Mega Bolloxhaven" or "7000 zombie sheep sing du gamla, du fria", it would still be the program that started out as Record 0.x.

[kae]

Navigating Reason @14:25
Exactly how I feel when navigating the different views. Makes no sense!
Can might as well just be a dice.

[HallowedHouse]

See later post (accidental double post)

[jens]

This has all N O T H I N G to do with what I said though.

All I said is Reason V6+ = Record. And again this doesn't really matter either.

It was just to explain that even when actually considering SQeetz pointless argument that "[audio recording] It's something it haphazardly evolved into." is FALSE because audio-recording is at the very root of the codebase of the current incarnation of what currently is called "Reason".


That of course doesn't mean that your may not have a fair point with your complaint. (It's just entirely unrelated to why I brought up Record.)

[HallowedHouse]

Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

Nope - it was the other way around - Reason was fully integrated into Record since version 1.5 of Record:

Sorry, but you are mistaken (at least the standpoint of product line nomenclature and marketing; I do understand the confusion, however.)

Sorry, but the confusion isn't on my part here. There is no point in jumping right in the middle of a discussion without considering the actual context, but that is exactly what you did here.

Let me remind you:
I wasn't the one who brought this up in the first place anyway - and as I said it's a moot argument in its entirety, but sQeetz replied to my suggestions regarding the improvement of Reason the DAW, basically claiming that my suggestions make no sense because... [he talked some nonsensical OT rubbish, mentioning Cubase Logic and Pro Tools as if they had anything to do with anything that's been said in this thread at all] to then round it all off with claiming that

"It is a DAW you can use to record your stuff with, yes... could there be stuff added to make this task easier... of course. But one has to keep in mind, that that's not what it was meant to be. It's something it haphazardly evolved into."


In this context it doesn't matter at all how they call it - that's mere marketing - the point of my reply is, - and again: it's a completely irrelevant argument to begin with - that Reason 6 (and subsequent versions) was clearly based on the code that started its life as "Record" i.e. initially an audio-only DAW that was meant to - doh - record audio. It wasn't Reason that got audio-recording added as an after-thought. Instead MIDI was the after-thought.

So: they could have named it "Hyperfart 2000", "Mega Bolloxhaven" or "7000 zombie sheep sing du gamla, du fria", it would still be the program that started out as Record 0.x.

Sorry, but I have to reply to this. RECORD turned out to be one of the biggest scans perpetrated on Reason users in my opinion
It was presented as a "crossgrade" to a new product alongside Reason and then was quickly abandoned and became part of Reason. This meant effectively that everyone paid twice for the same product but most people didn't realise because in your account they continue to make it look like you have two versions of "Reason," until you try to use the licence. Of course, customer services 'admits' the 'mistake' and confusion (but can't even be bothered to fix how it continues to be presented in your account). This sickened me so much that I decided to abandon Reason Studios completely as a long term user from version 2.5. Of course, I agree that when you use a term like 'side grade,' it can be ambiguous but I will never spend another penny on this company until they fix my account page (been waiting two years at this point). I am answering two posts so I hope this isn't too off topic but I feel is shows how Reason Studios treat their customers, is an insight into customer services and why I am not surprised they are charging so much money for RRP users. I am sad as after twenty plus years Reason has sentimental value to me and from what I am seeing online the company is having a massive backlash from the user base and rightly so. Would be sad to see Reason go - my advice would be to give it as a freebie update (it's little more than that) , retain the user base and start from there building - but there's no chance of that so let's see what happens.

[Jac459]

Record was fully integrated with Reason since version 6 or 6.5 of Reason.

Nope - it was the other way around - Reason was fully integrated into Record since version 1.5 of Record:

Sorry, but you are mistaken (at least the standpoint of product line nomenclature and marketing; I do understand the confusion, however.)

Sorry, but the confusion isn't on my part here. There is no point in jumping right in the middle of a discussion without considering the actual context, but that is exactly what you did here.

Let me remind you:
I wasn't the one who brought this up in the first place anyway - and as I said it's a moot argument in its entirety, but sQeetz replied to my suggestions regarding the improvement of Reason the DAW, basically claiming that my suggestions make no sense because... [he talked some nonsensical OT rubbish, mentioning Cubase Logic and Pro Tools as if they had anything to do with anything that's been said in this thread at all] to then round it all off with claiming that

"It is a DAW you can use to record your stuff with, yes... could there be stuff added to make this task easier... of course. But one has to keep in mind, that that's not what it was meant to be. It's something it haphazardly evolved into."


In this context it doesn't matter at all how they call it - that's mere marketing - the point of my reply is, - and again: it's a completely irrelevant argument to begin with - that Reason 6 (and subsequent versions) was clearly based on the code that started its life as "Record" i.e. initially an audio-only DAW that was meant to - doh - record audio. It wasn't Reason that got audio-recording added as an after-thought. Instead MIDI was the after-thought.

So: they could have named it "Hyperfart 2000", "Mega Bolloxhaven" or "7000 zombie sheep sing du gamla, du fria", it would still be the program that started out as Record 0.x.

Sorry, but I have to reply to this. RECORD turned out to be one of the biggest scans perpetrated on Reason users in my opinion
It was presented as a "crossgrade" to a new product alongside Reason and then was quickly abandoned and became part of Reason. This meant effectively that everyone paid twice for the same product but most people didn't realise because in your account they continue to make it look like you have two versions of "Reason," until you try to use the licence. Of course, customer services 'admits' the 'mistake' and confusion (but can't even be bothered to fix how it continues to be presented in your account). This sickened me so much that I decided to abandon Reason Studios completely as a long term user from version 2.5. Of course, I agree that when you use a term like 'side grade,' it can be ambiguous but I will never spend another penny on this company until they fix my account page (been waiting two years at this point). I am answering two posts so I hope this isn't too off topic but I feel is shows how Reason Studios treat their customers, is an insight into customer services and why I am not surprised they are charging so much money for RRP users. I am sad as after twenty plus years Reason has sentimental value to me and from what I am seeing online the company is having a massive backlash from the user base and rightly so. Would be sad to see Reason go - my advice would be to give it as a freebie update (it's little more than that) , retain the user base and start from there building - but there's no chance of that so let's see what happens.

I don't think that the company has the financial capacity to offer any freebie now but indeed, having a differentiated pricing for RRP and DAW is a gigantic overlook.

Many people (including me) have been raving about objekt and friction but how can anybody want to buy this when the cost of purchase is 499usd + the rack extension cost. It is ridiculous.
Of course, we can agree that the RRP comes with a ton of other stuffs but who is the buyer willing to enter this universe if not knowing it from the DAW? There is just no market....

They should have a minimal RRP, for free just to host paid rack extensions and another one cheaper than the DAW....

It doesn't seems so difficult to do but I may be wrong....

[Crossinger]

They should have a minimal RRP, for free just to host paid rack extensions and another one cheaper than the DAW....

It doesn't seems so difficult to do but I may be wrong....

They already had. IIRC there was a "Reason Lite Rack Plugin", which was available for a modest price and sometimes available for free (with any purchase, e.g. at Plugin Boutique) four years ago or so.

[SLiC]

They should have a minimal RRP, for free just to host paid rack extensions and another one cheaper than the DAW....

It doesn't seems so difficult to do but I may be wrong....

They already had. IIRC there was a "Reason Lite Rack Plugin", which was available for a modest price and sometimes available for free (with any purchase, e.g. at Plugin Boutique) four years ago or so.

That was how I ended up with RRP, then got a cheap upgrade to 11 suite then 12...so it works (and my interest has only ever been the RRP). The rack and the DAW should be 2 different product offerings IMO.

[mdx4ever]

Excellent update indeed. Cost me nothing since I’m Reason + user

[Samiver]

Excellent update indeed. Cost me nothing since I’m Reason + user

Cool, did you get one of them 6 month free r+ offers with a midi controller/keyboard etc

[summer2000]

Excellent update indeed. Cost me nothing since I’m Reason + user

Cool, did you get one of them 6 month free r+ offers with a midi controller/keyboard etc

I did with a purchase of a MPK261 so I really can't complain for the freebie. I don't have any plans to extend beyond the 6 month subscription once it expires or purchase a perpetual upgrade license from Reason 12 which I own unless they add custom tags and custom favorites for devices by then.