Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[dlandis]

They may be happy with 30% at 200 quid a pop…

Might be unhappy at the 70% who are in the no/unsure camp.

Yeah, I'm kind of thinking that a definite 30% isn't an amazing percentage given that Reason 12 came out about 3 years ago (all other contingencies being equal and, of course, they are not.) I'm not sure what the percentage of users of other DAWs, etc. is that upgrade as a matter of course (again all things being equal), but I'd guess the percentage is generally higher than that. And I not sure that 30% can be extrapolated into the user base at large for a number of reasons.

Pepin's comment about perpetual vs. subscribers is quite on point: does anyone know for sure if the subscribers were even included in the poll?

I go on reasontalk and based on the comments I assume the poll has been completed by both perpetual and r+ subscribers. It looks like r+ subscribers are polling yes as they get it as part of the sub.

I think reason talk is probably only a small subset of Reason users though so it might give an idea of sales but don't know how accurate it would reflect total sales/users.

Thanks for your comment; I thought as much. And, of course, you are correct about being a bit apprehensive in extending what goes on there on Reasontalk to Reason users generally. Still, with 30% including those with a subscription and therefore getting the upgrade with that, I'm not sure that the numbers can be construed as being that auspicious (at least in the short run.)

[aMUSEd]

I wish the Space Delay was available as a RE, nothing else in this looks interesting and I hate the new browser so doubt I will ever go beyond 12 unless they make it at least dockable

[crimsonwarlock]

I wish the Space Delay was available as a RE, nothing else in this looks interesting

If you are on R12, you can make something that's pretty close, with a combinator.

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

[crimsonwarlock]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

Yep, really

The concept is actually pretty simple. I didn't use a comb filter, but instead the free RE 302 Graphic Equalizer (I'm constantly looking to do unexpected things with REs). It's just one RE 302 in the left channel, and one in the right channels. The widener-knob moves all the bands between center and full setting, opposite for the left and right channel.

Hooking up all the faders for both EQs was a bitch though

If anyone is interested, I'm happy to upload the combinator here. There are several combinators I made, available on the ReasonTalk forum as well.

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[SebAV]

So, no demo?

I’m pretty sure you can still run Reason 13 in demo mode (standalone only, no saving):
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

You can download Reason 13 and run it as demo. However, 13 replaces some files so 12 doesn't work anymore. See https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... &t=7534522
If you're using RRP, the vst3 (on Mac at least) is replaced with the v13 one. So you have to reinstall R12 after you've realized the nothingness that is v13

[Jac459]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

Yep, really

The concept is actually pretty simple. I didn't use a comb filter, but instead the free RE 302 Graphic Equalizer (I'm constantly looking to do unexpected things with REs). It's just one RE 302 in the left channel, and one in the right channels. The widener-knob moves all the bands between center and full setting, opposite for the left and right channel.

Hooking up all the faders for both EQs was a bitch though

If anyone is interested, I'm happy to upload the combinator here. There are several combinators I made, available on the ReasonTalk forum as well.


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Fun!

[Jac459]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

Yep, really

The concept is actually pretty simple. I didn't use a comb filter, but instead the free RE 302 Graphic Equalizer (I'm constantly looking to do unexpected things with REs). It's just one RE 302 in the left channel, and one in the right channels. The widener-knob moves all the bands between center and full setting, opposite for the left and right channel.

Hooking up all the faders for both EQs was a bitch though

If anyone is interested, I'm happy to upload the combinator here. There are several combinators I made, available on the ReasonTalk forum as well.


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Fun!

Not using anymore as RE but if I am not wrong, the kilohearts comb filter exists in re version no? It has a stereo mode which is actually an excellent stereo widener.

[crimsonwarlock]

Not using anymore as RE but if I am not wrong, the kilohearts comb filter exists in re version no? It has a stereo mode which is actually an excellent stereo widener.

I tried that, but the comb filter introduces all kinds of artifacts in the sound. I don't really like how that sounds (not a fan of comb filters anyway). The trick in my widener combi is crazy transparent: it doesn't alter the original sound in any way, it just makes is wider. It's a very subtle, but obvious effect. It was just an experiment to see what that would do, but the result is so nice that I use it now regularly.

I made the combinator, so I could regulate the amount of the effect, but you can simply check it out by patching two separate graph EQs in the left and right channel of a signal and setting the faders like my image showed.

[zeebot]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

I have been waiting for a response, he did show show you what you requested.

[Jac459]

Not using anymore as RE but if I am not wrong, the kilohearts comb filter exists in re version no? It has a stereo mode which is actually an excellent stereo widener.

I tried that, but the comb filter introduces all kinds of artifacts in the sound. I don't really like how that sounds (not a fan of comb filters anyway). The trick in my widener combi is crazy transparent: it doesn't alter the original sound in any way, it just makes is wider. It's a very subtle, but obvious effect. It was just an experiment to see what that would do, but the result is so nice that I use it now regularly.

I made the combinator, so I could regulate the amount of the effect, but you can simply check it out by patching two separate graph EQs in the left and right channel of a signal and setting the faders like my image showed.

I will have a look then!

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Funny thing, a few months back I made a stereo effect combinator that does basically the same as that new stereo tool in R13

Oh really? So you created a stereo widener using comb filters to split up the frequency bands where you can pan each of them differently and yet still remain mono-compatible with no phase artifacts? Let's see it.

I have been waiting for a response, he did show show you what you requested.

Not the same. Doesn’t use comb filters. Therefore the new stereotool in R13 remains unique.

[gentleclockdivider]

The comb filters for the stereo widener are NOT combfilters with loads of feedback (like thor's comb filter) , I think people are mistaken about that .
A comb filter in it's most basic form is a dry signal mixed with a delayed version (+ feedforwardd or feedbackgain)and that's what the stereo widener is using .

[crimsonwarlock]

Not the same. Doesn’t use comb filters. Therefore the new stereotool in R13 remains unique.

Of course, it is not exactly the same, I made that clear from the start. However, the stereo tool does split the frequency bands of a mono signal over left and right stereo channels (as explained by Mattias in the livestream), and my combinator does exactly that. The means to get there are not relevant if the resulting effect is similar.

Now, it is probable that the stereo tool uses more bands. But as to the question of stereo-izing a signal without any phase issues (meaning collapse to mono without artifacts), my combi does exactly that.

By the way, creating a stereo image by splitting frequencies left and right, is a well-known technique which can even be done with basic EQ moves. Like, ducking the mids on one side and boosting the mids on the other side already gives a stereo sensation.

Oh, and setting the bands of a graphic EQ intermittent to full max and min values, in essence gives you a (very course) comb-filter. It's in the name, like the teeth of a comb

[Jac459]

One theoretical question still are you sure the eq you use doesn't create phase issue ?