Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[kmonkey]

There's a good outcome in this. I finally gave a chance to MuLab and Reaper and all that I can say is WTF?

That's exactly what I did few months ago (Mulab-Reaper but for a slightly different reason).

I'll keep v12 for the Rack, but the feeling of "Subscription Only" is creeping in and I'm not sure I will be creating music relaying on the Rack much longer.

Time will tell...

Slightly off-topic but my head is exploding by the sole fact of the devices and their quality in MuLab and then there's a JSFX in Reaper and I am under the impression I lived under a rock. Yes, the learning curves are steep (for me) but man...

I am still shocked by these two products and their capabilities. It took me around a week to "set up" Reaper to act normally (the way 99% of other DAWs act. Under that I mean on mouse behavior, selecting, browsing in session, etc.)

I'll keep Reason 12 for the number of FX nd instruments, and old projects that will be transferred into these DAWs with the RRP device. Not going to look back after I realized the potential of Reaper and MuLab.

With Reaper, you get to have incredible DAW minus instruments or samplers (I mean on its own). With MuLab you get an incredible blackhole of creativity of samplers and synths.

With both of them, Reason (as a DAW - some instruments are effin amazing) looks like a cartoonish version of Francis Ford Coppola's movie

I guess I should congratulate the incredibly stupid Reason marketing department who drove me away to look at other things. As I said I was ok with not updating to R13 because of my workflow regression but when I saw they made a public announcement on prioritizing someone who spent $10 with them over someone like me who spent exactly 300 times more - no thanks - goodbye

Not upgrading to R13, no soup for you anymore!

[liquidsound]

There's a good outcome in this. I finally gave a chance to MuLab and Reaper and all that I can say is WTF?

That's exactly what I did few months ago (Mulab-Reaper but for a slightly different reason).

I'll keep v12 for the Rack, but the feeling of "Subscription Only" is creeping in and I'm not sure I will be creating music relaying on the Rack much longer.

Time will tell...

Slightly off-topic but my head is exploding by the sole fact of the devices and their quality in MuLab and then there's a JSFX in Reaper and I am under the impression I lived under a rock. Yes, the learning curves are steep (for me) but man...

I am still shocked by these two products and their capabilities. It took me around a week to "set up" Reaper to act normally (the way 99% of other DAWs act. Under that I mean on mouse behavior, selecting, browsing in session, etc.)

I'll keep Reason 12 for the number of FX nd instruments, and old projects that will be transferred into these DAWs with the RRP device. Not going to look back after I realized the potential of Reaper and MuLab.

With Reaper, you get to have incredible DAW minus instruments or samplers (I mean on its own). With MuLab you get an incredible blackhole of creativity of samplers and synths.

With both of them, Reason (as a DAW - some instruments are effin amazing) looks like a cartoonish version of Francis Ford Coppola's movie

I guess I should congratulate the incredibly stupid Reason marketing department who drove me away to look at other things. As I said I was ok with not updating to R13 because of my workflow regression but when I saw they made a public announcement on prioritizing someone who spent $10 with them over someone like me who spent exactly 300 times more - no thanks - goodbye

Not upgrading to R13, no soup for you anymore!

Reaper is great ("ReaperTips" Theme for me) but MuLab (using it from v2.5) is EXCEPTIONAL!
Lately I'm using MuLab much more than Reaper (80%).

Reason 12 is installed for the Rack aspect and that's the end of the road unless something extraordinary comes out of that confused company.

[elnn]

Where is this company heading, there is simply no communication with the community and thats the result. [...] Nobody knows where it is all going. It's a miracle, this company.

And that's how they like it. Don't take it away from them.
Reason Studios knows *exactly* who their intended audience is. Reason and their fanboys are in perfect harmoney (sic).
A veritable Stockholm syndrome.

This is exactly the update I was hoping for. Attention to Reason as a DAW with special attention paid to the sequencer, browser, and midi editor. Like all the other DAW announcements in the last few years, it'll be met with every complaint about some feature someone didn't get, but this is exactly what I was hoping for as a long time Reason user. Making the sequencer faster and easier to work with as a DAW is huge for a lot of us.

you see? this is exactly what they are hoping for. they revel in it.

[LaLivre]

I think its only a minority, see the polls on reasontalk, majority wants more DAW QoL features

[jens]

This is exactly the update I was hoping for. Attention to Reason as a DAW with special attention paid to the sequencer, browser, and midi editor. Like all the other DAW announcements in the last few years, it'll be met with every complaint about some feature someone didn't get, but this is exactly what I was hoping for as a long time Reason user. Making the sequencer faster and easier to work with as a DAW is huge for a lot of us.

you see? this is exactly what they are hoping for. they revel in it.

Yes, that's the danger of living in a fanboy-bubble.

"Making the sequencer faster and easier to work with as a DAW is huge for a lot of us."

I think we can agree on this bit - which is why R13 is such a travesty (and tragedy).

[Jac459]

This is exactly the update I was hoping for. Attention to Reason as a DAW with special attention paid to the sequencer, browser, and midi editor. Like all the other DAW announcements in the last few years, it'll be met with every complaint about some feature someone didn't get, but this is exactly what I was hoping for as a long time Reason user. Making the sequencer faster and easier to work with as a DAW is huge for a lot of us.

you see? this is exactly what they are hoping for. they revel in it.

Yes, that's the danger of living in a fanboy-bubble.

"Making the sequencer faster and easier to work with as a DAW is huge for a lot of us."

I think we can agree on this bit - which is why R13 is such a travesty (and tragedy).

I don't see why people happy with the update should be "fanboy". They can have dreamed exactly about these kind of updates, you wouldn't know.

I happen to have the same view as you but I don't get why we should dismiss other views...

The fact that some people are happy is a good news, I don't particularly want Reason Studios to die...

[jens]

They can have dreamed exactly about these kind of updates, you wouldn't know.

I wouldn't and it's irrelevant either way.

Over the years there have been numerous requests on how to improve Reason the DAW , none of which have been added/implemented in R13 - that's what matters.

So if you don't start a post like that with something along the lines of "I of course totally get why everyone is hugely disappointed, but for me personally it actually..." (which would be absolutely fine - more power to you) that makes you a fanboy.

[Jac459]

They can have dreamed exactly about these kind of updates, you wouldn't know.

I wouldn't and it's irrelevant either way.

Over the years there have been numerous requests on how to improve Reason the DAW , none of which have been added/implemented in R13 - that's what matters.

So if you don't start a post like that with something along the lines of "I of course totally get why everyone is hugely disappointed, but for me personally it actually..." (which would be absolutely fine - more power to you) that makes you a fanboy.

That I don't disagree...

That's sad... How in 5 years, Reason Studios came from the alpha and Omega of my ecosystem to something that is becoming anecdotical.
When I think all the RE I bought, it is quite a waste...

Fortunately Objekt and Friktion are still absolute gems...

[jens]

And let's be straight to the point here:

I didn't test R13 but I watched the manual and looked at some videos and nobody mentioned anything in regards to being able to maximize the new editor(s) (or even just being able to resize it for that matter) and if that is indeed not possible the R13 - for me personally - then that is a vast deterioration as compared to previous versions. Which would mean they even made the DAW considerly worse than it was.

Why would I need to see the timeline while I am comping? I wouldn't. Completely pointless waste of screenspace and a huge one at that.
Why would I need to see the timeline while I am editing MIDI? Same story.

Stupid people making appz for stupid people to make stupid muzak with. Dumbed down beyond all measures. Get lost, thew lot of you. But enjoy your IPA in your office while you can, Mr. Agevik.

[crimsonwarlock]

I moved to Reason for two main things: The rack, and blocks. I left Reaper behind because after spending years to try and implement a usable composing workflow (writing my own scripts etc.), I realized that Reaper simply isn't geared for composing, at least not the way some other DAWs are. I also started to hate all the floating FX windows during mixing sessions. Reason solved both problems for me: the rack means no more floating windows, and blocks were like designed for my particular composing workflow. Because of all this, I invested heavily into Rack Extensions, to the point where I almost don't need/use any VST plugins. The amount of money I spend on the Reason ecosystem is a multiple of some numbers posted here by others. I'm still very happy with Reason 12, but...

The one thing I was missing is, surprise, preset TAGGING. When they announced R13 would have preset-tagging, I was excited. This would be the last step to a near perfect setup for me. Then it landed, and I found out that the tagging system is basically aimed at tagging all their R+ soundpacks, that us perpetuals don't have access to, and in the process they tagged all the existing FSB stuff, big deal. However, no possibility to tag my own stuff with MY OWN tags This makes the tagging system completely useless to me, and in the process they took away the device favorites, which I seriously need to manage the 400+ rack extensions I own.

For me, as it stands now, Reason 13 is one big regression bug. I don't see another way to put it.

I'm now looking at Digital Performer, as that is the only DAW that appears to be capable of what blocks do in Reason. But it is a big program with a steep learning curve, it surely misses some of the immediacy that Reason has. As I'm happy with R12, no rush for now, but I seriously dread where Reason is going right now.

[eerie_audio]

Where is this company heading, there is simply no communication with the community and thats the result. Is the new CEO still there? Any chance for implementing key features like video or markers after -ähm, wait, how many years new CEO is on board now??

Nobody knows where it is all going. It's a miracle, this company.

Maybe I switch to FL Studio.

It all started years and years ago when they abandoned their forum. They believed that replacing the instant feedback and communications with their community could simply be replaced by a Facebook user group. Fast forward to today and you will find them using 3rd party forums, like ReasonTalk and KVR to get the word out. Which has turned out to be a breakdown in the community and users' requests with no sense of direct communications with the developers or company. It was their way of avoiding heated debates and needing someone to manage them.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

I'm now looking at Digital Performer, as that is the only DAW that appears to be capable of what blocks do in Reason.

Logic has Blocks - it's called Arrangement Tracks. You can do the same thing as Blocks.

[crimsonwarlock]

Logic has Blocks - it's called Arrangement Tracks. You can do the same thing as Blocks.

Nope. Many DAWs have arrangement tracks, but none of them can do what blocks can do. The only thing that comes close is chunks in DP, and chunks can actually do a lot more than blocks (which makes chunks also more complex to use).

You probably think that blocks do the same as arrangement tracks, so that must mean it is the same the other way around. But that's not the case.

[Cavey Arrgh]

However, no possibility to tag my own stuff with MY OWN tags This makes the tagging system completely useless to me,

I'm not defending R13 (I'm on 12 and probably will never "upgrade" given R13 looks like a downgrade), but if tags is your primary issue, is there a reason you can't use a tagging "hack", like putting the tag search terms in the name of the saved preset?

For instance, in reason 12, I start all my presets with something unique like "zz", and add descriptiors in the name, so a preset name I save could be: "zz_Model72_funk_squelch_bright"
You might have thought of this and considered it clumsy, so just throwing it out there.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Logic has Blocks - it's called Arrangement Tracks. You can do the same thing as Blocks.

Nope. Many DAWs have arrangement tracks, but none of them can do what blocks can do.

Well I'd be interested to hear what that is because I just use Reason blocks at their most basic level, and that is, define each section of your song as a block, then move around and copy/delete blocks to create different arrangements. Logic does that. I don't see anything particularly unique about Reason's blocks.