Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[liquidsound]

Btw, that video was pretty cringe-worthy. It's almost like it was damage control

Exactly my thoughts.

Big fan-boy. But likely stuck on 12 for quite some time.

That's my initial thought as well, and as long as it keeps working I will. But based on how they run the company now, I don't expect any contingency planning for the online authorization if/when the company folds. So I'm doing my own contingency planning, and line-up a new DAW for when the proverbial shit hits the fan.

Reason 12.5.3 is the last version that uses the Authorizer...

12.6 added Apple silicon support so on 12.5 you're running Reason with Rosetta?

Hopefully, Reason Studios doesn't pull anything dodgy and start charging yearly for offline use. I'm mostly offline with music computer except for rare updates. Not sure if they could do anything like that, but who the heck knows with RS these days.

No more Apple for me (gave it to my wife) beside my iPhone.

[mdx4ever]

Making of Reason 13:

[Jac459]

Making of Reason 13:

Meh.

[Jesse Gorter]

The new browser is super slow when your storage is in the cloud. Normal explorer = fast, new browser = slooooooow. What gives? hardly usable for me. I might need to look up my samples in windows explorer, and drag them in the redrum if this keeps up

[crimsonwarlock]

I might need to look up my samples in windows explorer, and drag them in the redrum if this keeps up

I'm currently testing the free version of a separate sample management tool (Resonic Player). The biggest problem this will solve for me, is that Reason supports multiple outputs, but the sample preview is hard-wired to the first stereo-out. As the output rendering is also hard-wired to that output, I have the control-room routed to the second stereo-out of my interface because that has my monitor-correction patched in. This way, my monitor correction won't mess with my rendering. But that also means I can't hear the sample-preview . It is maddening that they did half of the work (control-room out) but then hard-wire stuff to the first stereo out

The full version of Resonic has tagging as well. It costs around 69 euros, but I'm willing to drop that cash for just a sample manager if it solves these problems for me. Besides that, it won't be tied into a specific DAW, comes the time I need to switch

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Getting worse:


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[apoclypse]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else. Make another product and see if it sticks. It doesn't necessarily have to be a DAW. A unique plugin VST for example. Their DSP engineers are great, they should be able to make a cool sounding instrument or effect they can sell. Try to build mindshare that way while they figure out how to either redesign Reason to be more appealing or work on a completely new software with new ideas.

[Resonant- Serpent]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else. Make another product and see if it sticks. It doesn't necessarily have to be a DAW. A unique plugin VST for example. Their DSP engineers are great, they should be able to make a cool sounding instrument or effect they can sell. Try to build mindshare that way while they figure out how to either redesign Reason to be more appealing or work on a completely new software with new ideas.

If they'd just have a reasonably priced update, I wouldn't mind spending money on some things that I want. The current pricing/subscription scheme makes me feel like I'm getting ripped off, and not spend a penny with them.

Ableton Live has a HUGE update in 12 with everything they've done in just the last few months, so that cost feels justified. The update to Reason 13 just feels anemic by comparison.

[jens]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else.

The only thing they would have/would have had to do is improve Reason by implementing basic crucial features. What do you mean with "especially to younger users"? Sorry, but that is DUMB DUMB really DUMB nonsense.

[This being adressed at whatever corporation is doing this:]

Don't dumb things down because you're too stupid/clueless/lazy and then claim "that's what they asked for"

(the popular media has been playing this game for decades - abysmal level of journalism justified by "they wouldn't understand us otherwise").

- Younger users might want to record something they came up with on their keyboard

They might have troubles getting it right on the first take, but instead might need a few instead. Reason currently provides no proper solution to this.

- younger users might want to record their violin (yes, there are still young folks playing all kinds of instruments).

If they are bowing slowly they have to start before the first bar they actually want to record onto (due to the slow attack - same with many synths pads and similar sounds/instruments). If they want to record in a loop, Reason currently does not provide a proper solution for this (lack of slip-editing).

- younger users might want to tax their CPU a little bit more but need low-latency.

Reason currently doesn't provide freezing.

- younger users might want to "bundle" several tracks in a folder

Reason currently doesn't offer this.

- younger users might want to record an alternative version of the song/project they are working on.

Reason currently doesn't provide a reasonable solution for this as all audio-files are incoporated in the project-file and there's no project-version feature.

- younger users might want to record their Seaboard, Linnstrument, Joué (etc.)

Reason currently doesn't provide a solution for this because there's no MPE support.

- younger users might want to benefit from all the wonderful solutions ARA2 offers.

Reason currently doesn't provide any solution for this.


and so forth and so forth. It's really neither rocket-science nor a real problem UNLESS they make it one by ignoring both reason and (the majority of) their core userbase.

If the company had to file for insolvency/would get dumped by their investors within the next half a year or so it would be 100% self-inflicted and completely deserved. That's how it is. Frankly put, they pissed on our legs for long enough at this point. We've been waiting patiently for years and years and years for them to come up with real, substantial improvements to Reason the DAW.

[festeringheap]

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How are you reading those poll numbers?

-Only about 1/4 are upgrading and 3/4 are not?
-1/2 are upgrading or will upgrade once the upgrade price is reduced during a sale? The 'unsure' option seems to be a split of price drop and waiting for a fix with favorites.

The upgrade numbers may be inflated due to Reason Talk fanboys there, but how many 'no' votes are due to people just going over there and voting that way cause they like messing with a small poll and would never in a million years have anything to do with Reason anyways?

The amazing thing to me is how many people would just jump on an upgrade right away, even though Reason Studios jacked up the price from 129 to 199 just to make the subscription price seem palatable. So a smart move by Reason Studios is to wait it out with the higher price and grab extra money from the early adapters. Eventually there will be a sale and the unsure vote will buy.

fwiw, I'm a No. And from what I read online, there seems to be some that also feel that Reason 13 is a step back and a mess with the workflow. But there are also many that seem to love the change.

And who knows what RS numbers are financially? Both the CEO and Mattias have posted that there are more Reason users than ever. (Though I'm unsure of what info they use to determine a Reason user).

[Crossinger]

And who knows what RS numbers are financially?

This is no secret; in Sweden, company annual reports are public.

[crimsonwarlock]

The upgrade numbers may be inflated due to Reason Talk fanboys there, but how many 'no' votes are due to people just going over there and voting that way cause they like messing with a small poll and would never in a million years have anything to do with Reason anyways?

You need to be registered to the forum to vote. I don't think many people will register over there, just to mess with some very insignificant poll. I'm registered there, but didn't even vote, I left that forum after a few mods tried to gaslight me in a pretty bad way. ReasonTalk is the absolute worst forum I ever participated on.

Just for the statistics, I would vote no. And I would even call myself a fanboy, as Reason 12 hits several sweet-spots for me.

[jlgrimes11]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else. Make another product and see if it sticks. It doesn't necessarily have to be a DAW. A unique plugin VST for example. Their DSP engineers are great, they should be able to make a cool sounding instrument or effect they can sell. Try to build mindshare that way while they figure out how to either redesign Reason to be more appealing or work on a completely new software with new ideas.

If they'd just have a reasonably priced update, I wouldn't mind spending money on some things that I want. The current pricing/subscription scheme makes me feel like I'm getting ripped off, and not spend a penny with them.

Ableton Live has a HUGE update in 12 with everything they've done in just the last few months, so that cost feels justified. The update to Reason 13 just feels anemic by comparison.

This.

I think Reason is priced out of alot of users budget.

I don't think the subscription will attract a big user base.


I think a free version of Reason is needed. From that point users could buy REs.

I think the RE concept was a missed opportunity. On a couple of fronts either their code base was limited to what could be done, or they didn't attract enough 3rd party developers. Also their version 10 upgrade with synths only didn't help their 3rd party market. A strong 3rd party market would have gave them enough time to focus on core improvements.

I think at some level you have to accept Reason develops at a slower pace than other companies as Reason's major releases can feel like other developers minor releases. This is ultimately the biggest reason, it lags behind others. That said Reason is better than it was like 5 years ago, but it is still behind in alot of areas where I think alot of people will look it over.

If it was priced a bit lower though, they would attract users especially from people who needs good sounds and a DAW to work in.

They probably should create a free version just to get a higher user base, which would also give them a better view of needed improvements (I would think though they had years to think about this), but I think if a large number of users requests a certain feature, and if it is easy to implement, it should be a no-brainer.

[carambo]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too.

What makes you think youngsters don't buy or subscribe to Reason ?? Do you have access to specific statistics or is it just wishful thinking simply based on your sentiment ? People on this forum and a couple of others represent less than 10% of users. It reminds me my sport club, 1000 members and 10 guys who are there every day and who believe the club belongs to them, lol, super arrogant to require policy change just because they cannot get a life and drag themselves around all day ! Reason Studios is well managed and don't give a f to what people say on forums, they have a team of dedicated people to manage relationships with key users and artists, real influencers, not third tier artist. I have a very simple principle in life, when I don't like something I just pass... It happens that I am an happy Reason user since v4 and I have upgraded to R13, I am super happy like all my network...and I have nothing to do wirh Reason Studio

[kae]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else. Make another product and see if it sticks. It doesn't necessarily have to be a DAW. A unique plugin VST for example. Their DSP engineers are great, they should be able to make a cool sounding instrument or effect they can sell. Try to build mindshare that way while they figure out how to either redesign Reason to be more appealing or work on a completely new software with new ideas.

If they'd just have a reasonably priced update, I wouldn't mind spending money on some things that I want. The current pricing/subscription scheme makes me feel like I'm getting ripped off, and not spend a penny with them.

Ableton Live has a HUGE update in 12 with everything they've done in just the last few months, so that cost feels justified. The update to Reason 13 just feels anemic by comparison.

This.

I think Reason is priced out of alot of users budget.

I don't think the subscription will attract a big user base.


I think a free version of Reason is needed. From that point users could buy REs.

Agree. A cheap, or free, RRP only version with just a set of basic devices to get you going and then have the users fill up the rack from the shop. I think a lot of users would like to get their hands on some of the unique devices in there, like Objekt, without wanting to pay $499 for the full set of mostly 1-2 decade old devices.
Wasn't there a Reason Lite or something earlier?