Amigo Sampler - 8-Bit Amiga Style Sampler Plugin

[revvy]

Love the passive aggressive anti-Apple users bit at the end. That definitely explains why I don’t feel affronted by £10 Amigo’s upcoming auth method.

The Dev should stop developing the Windows version as Apple users are clearly much easier to please

[MrJubbly]

Love the passive aggressive anti-Apple users bit at the end. That definitely explains why I don’t feel affronted by £10 Amigo’s upcoming auth method.

The Dev should stop developing the Windows version as Apple users are clearly much easier to please

Please, no projection of anything you may be presuming.

I don't care what method PotenzaDSP use. I fully support the developer adding protection to their plugin (I was surprised it didn't when I first bought it on its release). And yes, it would be nice if an offline option could also (at some point) be made available to appease customers, who appreciate that additional feeling of assurance. This concept would offend you?

I also believe Amigo's minumum price point is undervalued and should definitely be raised, as this plugin is clearly worth more than £10 to those of us who appreciate it. I would personally pay £50+ easily (and still would, if they want to enforce that going forwards, for continued future updates of this plugin.) Perhaps, draw a line after the next update and increase the RRP with the v1.1 protected update, onwards?

As for the "anti-Apple users" accusation. Tell me what was inaccurate regarding long-term compatibility and that company?

Not only am I a Windows user (and as now stated, one who supports this developer introducing copy protection and increasing their current price point for Amigo), but I am also an original old-schooler Commodore 64 and Amiga A500 user, who spent many years composing with the original music trackers, from which this plugin derives inspiration, back in the late 80s/early 90s. As a young teenager.

So where does that now leave us? Perhaps, you shouldn't presume so much about a complete stranger's comment, before enquiring further?

[revvy]

Nah, I nailed the Mr PasAg part, which was the only point I made. Your longevity is to be applauded but has nothing to do with what I wrote.

[fladd]

Ah, once again a technical solution to a non-technical problem. As usual, the assumption here is that people who crack software start buying it once there is no crack anymore. To what extend this is true is more than questionable. Most of these people will most likely just ignore the software once they can't get it for free anymore. However, with C/R there will be interested paying customers that now won't buy it anymore. And that decision has nothing to do with the price of the software, but about investing time in it, making this part of your workflow, your projects, and the possibility of being locked out of using it in the future due to unforeseen and uncontrollable reasons. The question in the end is which group is bigger, that of people who used cracks and now buy the software or those who would have bought it before the C/R and now wont...

[stekkermane]

Love the passive aggressive anti-Apple users bit at the end. That definitely explains why I don’t feel affronted by £10 Amigo’s upcoming auth method.

The Dev should stop developing the Windows version as Apple users are clearly much easier to please

Please, no projection of anything you may be presuming.

I don't care what method PotenzaDSP use. I fully support the developer adding protection to their plugin (I was surprised it didn't when I first bought it on its release). And yes, it would be nice if an offline option could also (at some point) be made available to appease customers, who appreciate that additional feeling of assurance. This concept would offend you?

I also believe Amigo's minumum price point is undervalued and should definitely be raised, as this plugin is clearly worth more than £10 to those of us who appreciate it. I would personally pay £50+ easily (and still would, if they want to enforce that going forwards, for continued future updates of this plugin.) Perhaps, draw a line after the next update and increase the RRP with the v1.1 protected update, onwards?

As for the "anti-Apple users" accusation. Tell me what was inaccurate regarding long-term compatibility and that company?

Not only am I a Windows user (and as now stated, one who supports this developer introducing copy protection and increasing their current price point for Amigo), but I am also an original old-schooler Commodore 64 and Amiga A500 user, who spent many years composing with the original music trackers, from which this plugin derives inspiration, back in the late 80s/early 90s. As a young teenager.

So where does that now leave us? Perhaps, you shouldn't presume so much about a complete stranger's comment, before enquiring further?

As u can read im my first comment here on our reasoning for adding the future copy protection, is that we 100% promise to remove any copy protection if we ever discontinue this project
So there would be a final legacy update so u will never have to experience any situation like where u can't activate because the activation servers are down.

We are very serious about that as developers and plugin users ourselves,
So there is no need to worry about not being able to use Amigo in 10 years.

[stekkermane]

Ah, once again a technical solution to a non-technical problem. As usual, the assumption here is that people who crack software start buying it once there is no crack anymore. To what extend this is true is more than questionable. Most of these people will most likely just ignore the software once they can't get it for free anymore. However, with C/R there will be interested paying customers that now won't buy it anymore. And that decision has nothing to do with the price of the software, but about investing time in it, making this part of your workflow, your projects, and the possibility of being locked out of using it in the future due to unforeseen and uncontrollable reasons. The question in the end is which group is bigger, that of people who used cracks and now buy the software or those who would have bought it before the C/R and now wont...

I think given our very cheap price point it will be a realistic outcome to see those who can not pirate it anymore decide to buy it anyway.

Especially since another layer of protection is that plugins like this being so niche, no cracking group is gonna take the time and efford to crack amigo.

The same as how u cannot find other niche or boutique plugins cracked, they solely go for the big ones.

The reason it is being pirated so much in first place is because it was just a simple .zip file so anybody could have uploaded it.

And read my previous post here we already explained how we are very serious about making it activation and DRM free once we discontinue the project and it will be released for free that is a promise.

[bmanic]

Those kinds of promises have been made before and very rarely kept.

..just saying.

[gentleclockdivider]

Especially since another layer of protection is that plugins like this being so niche, no cracking group is gonna take the time and efford to crack amigo.

Ofcourse they will ,for them it's just anothing motivating factor

[bungle]

Especially since another layer of protection is that plugins like this being so niche, no cracking group is gonna take the time and efford to crack amigo.

Reaper works fully in demo mode, no restrictions, just a request to buy when you boot it, and is probably the cheapest full fledged DAW, it still gets cracked.
There have even been free plugins that got cracked just to add a particular groups about screen.
Some crack users only visit crack sites and have no idea if something is free or not, they have no interest in buying anything anyway.

Niche has nothing to do with it, price has nothing to do with it, kudos does, and like it or not an Amiga based plugin will offer plenty of kudos, so make your protection very very very good, plenty of much higher level developers have tried and failed to not get cracked, your C/R development time may have been wasted.

Renoise has the most interesting protection for me, instead of punishing paying customers, they just make a system that compiles per customer in a user account, if that gets put online they can actively see who uploaded it and disable their user account, take other actions.

The facts around cracks don't bear out any relevance to sales anyway, years ago a bunch of developers tried to prove that their sales fell off a cliff after a crack was released, but then a few honest developers pointed out that sales fell off a cliff at near exact the same time period after every new release/news cycle anyway.
I get it, you get cracked (been there) you feel disrespected, but funnily enough, nobody who bought the plugin (Those who will have to use the C/R) cracked anything.

[Crossinger]

Is the honeymoon over? Long time no hear, especially about the beta phase of the announced 1.1.0.

[audiojunkie]

Probably. I actually forgot that I was subscribed to this thread. I completely lost interest after they moved to challenge/response copy protection, and haven't been back until I saw your post.

[Vortifex]

Still using it here. Definitely wouldn't complain if he added 44.1k sample rate though...

[underscoreraven]

There have even been free plugins that got cracked just to add a particular groups about screen.
Some crack users only visit crack sites and have no idea if something is free or not, they have no interest in buying anything anyway.

Yep, this can't be ignored. People will crack even free stuff just cause it's annoyingly tied to some copy protection (looking at Fresh Air using iLok). So there's no reason to assume other cheap things won't be cracked either. Statements like "people won't bother pirating us then" especially are just inviting people to actually do it now

On the general matter, personally since I already own amigo I'll probably keep using it with C/R, but if it had used C/R from the start I most likely wouldn't have bought it

[audiojunkie]

What you say is so true. Those who crack the software do it for the challenge and infamy. Those who download the cracked software and use it probably wouldn't have paid anyway. Those who are honest will buy the software if it meets their needs. There is no reason to punish the honest by making them jump through hoops that the dishonest wouldn't have to jump through. A simple serial or keyfile is sufficient enough for most users that they won't get tempted to try to crack the software themselves, and yet won't be troublesome to the honest users. It CAN be done. Look at U-he, TAL-Software, etc. They have found a way to do this without removing the ability for users to be able to pull copies of their software off of an archive and get it working without the company being around.

To be clear: There IS a way for developers to have serial number/keyfile copy protection, while still making it entirely possible for users, even after the company is gone, to pull the software off of their backup, install it to a new computer, and authenticate.

The problem is that developers believe that the dishonest would have paid in the first place and they consider the pirates a lost source of income.

[Uncle E]

As true as that all is, it’s got to be demoralizing on their end. They’re the good guys, offering a lot for nearly free. A better world would reward that behavior.