Relab Development - VSR REV6000

[DevonB]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

I'd give it a good demo at least, as I disagree with your thoughts. There is something 'seamless' and natural about the TC VSS4 algo that I just haven't found in anything else. I had a TC Reverb 4000 hardware unit (the stereo version of the Reverb 6000) for a short while, and just demoed the new plugin, and it sure does sound nice. The TC hardware is notorious for power supply problems and didn't find out until after I had acquired the Reverb 4000, so I ended up selling it, and just been waiting for Relab's version. You could also just buy TC VSS4 HD plugin from them for $249. Little gun shy buying from TC since they dropped the PowerCore after I invested in that years ago too. Hopefully Relab is less than what I can just buy the real thing for.

Devon

[zvenx]

I spent some time with it yesterday and will spend more time over the next few days.
But I haven't heard anything compelling to make me buy it beyond its supposed reputation and history.
I think Phoenix/Nimbus from EA and Cinematic Rooms from LiquidSonics already spoiled me from this type of sound.

rsp

[jtsterays]

They did tease a secret reverb, hopefully an M7.

Where did you see it? Can't find any info.

They talked about it on GS few months ago (Its in the Maselec thread iirc)

[M1st]

Thanks mate, I'll check it out.

[Gam456]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

I'd give it a good demo at least, as I disagree with your thoughts. There is something 'seamless' and natural about the TC VSS4 algo that I just haven't found in anything else.

Devon

I try the demo. Sorry but it doesn't compelling to me more than LiquidSonics Cinematic or Seventh Heaven

It always a matter of taste

[DevonB]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

I'd give it a good demo at least, as I disagree with your thoughts. There is something 'seamless' and natural about the TC VSS4 algo that I just haven't found in anything else.

Devon

I try the demo. Sorry but it doesn't compelling to me more than LiquidSonics Cinematic or Seventh Heaven

It always a matter of taste

Naturally, of course. I have no experience with the Liquidsonic plugin, but I plan to check it out myself eventually. Great to have so many GOOD choices these days.

Devon

[jens]

Good luck to compete with LiquidSonics

Lol...

[sergiofrias]

[bmanic]

I spent some time with it yesterday and will spend more time over the next few days.
But I haven't heard anything compelling to make me buy it beyond its supposed reputation and history.
I think Phoenix/Nimbus from EA and Cinematic Rooms from LiquidSonics already spoiled me from this type of sound.

rsp

Hard facts.

I've probably said this years ago but it's worth repeating:

The absolute cream of the crop reverbs are ALL found in the box. This has been true for quite a long time now. A lot of seriously upper echelon reverbs are NOT from the old trusted established brands any more (though in the case of Phoenix/Nimbus.. basically Michael Carnes all creations, are by the literal creator of the top tier latest Lexicon models, both hardware and software). There is a very good reason why the name Valhalla is mentioned pretty much everywhere. Heck I keep seeing people bringing laptops into live mixing gigs just to be able to run Valhalla Vintage Verb.

.. and if you absolutely want/need the established brands, almost every single piece of digital reverb technology can now be found in software and most of them are virtually bit identical (minus the AD/DA conversion which does NOT matter as much as people want to make it out to matter) and some offer a lot of added benefits and new features.

In terms of the TC 6000 system, I've been lucky enough to use one that contains all the licenses for the various parts of the system (the whole extended thing) and while it was impressive, it's not as "magical" as the price tag suggests. The various reverb algorithms vary from completely useless (for music) to very nice. Some of them are a bit difficult to get to fit in a dense mix (which is probably why super realistic reverbs never took off in a big way in music and why most of the fame of the 6k algorithms comes from the film/TV industry). And if you want super realism, it's hard to get any more realistic than top tier impulse responses.

On the positive side, the various algorithms are quite tweakable and you can do all kinds of cool things with them. The are definitely all completely unique sounding and can NOT be duplicated by anything else, as far as I can tell, at least the more esoteric "locations" and early reflection patterns. You can however make impulse responses on some of the more static presets or just remove the modulation and then sample them. They'll sound just fine without the modulation in most cases as the early reflections and the delay patterns in general extremely well thought out. The modulation for some of it does help make it sit within a mix a bit better. But simply sampling the early reflections and then pairing that with some other reverb for the tail (and feeding some of the ER into the tail verb) could yield interesting results!


Speaking of top notch software reverbs.. One of the most interesting and unique reverbs is 100% free to download and use. People who haven't downloaded and put time and effort into U-He's Protoverb are seriously missing out! It's amazing! Here you can download 49 of my Protoverb presets.

And those lucky few of you who have access to AriesVerb (my favorite reverb plugin of all time) can download 46 of my presets for it here.

I'm a bit of a Reverb junkie. I just counted that I currently have 41 reverb plugins installed for my Reaper install.

As for this Relab reverb here. The only thing I can see going for this reverb is that it's probably going to be a lot cheaper to purchase than the actual algorithms directly from TC Electronic (aka Behringer), which are all available as plugins.

[idoru97214]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

You could also just buy TC VSS4 HD plugin from them for $249.

Devon

If one is patient, BF pricing on the whole system 6000 last year was $350, that's three reverbs and two multiband dynamics units. I picked it up and use quite a bit of it on a regular basis. I just also pray they don't stop updates and support for it. I think that is a very realistic fear.

[bmanic]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

You could also just buy TC VSS4 HD plugin from them for $249.

Devon

If one is patient, BF pricing on the whole system 6000 last year was $350, that's three reverbs and two multiband dynamics units. I picked it up and use quite a bit of it on a regular basis. I just also pray they don't stop updates and support for it. I think that is a very realistic fear.

Indeed. It's Music Tribe, aka Behringer. So there is a real risk of this, especially for people using a Mac as Apple notoriously destroys compatibility of things with their OS updates.

This is why I did not jump on the Black Friday deal even though it was super tempting.

[DevonB]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

You could also just buy TC VSS4 HD plugin from them for $249.

Devon

If one is patient, BF pricing on the whole system 6000 last year was $350, that's three reverbs and two multiband dynamics units. I picked it up and use quite a bit of it on a regular basis. I just also pray they don't stop updates and support for it. I think that is a very realistic fear.

Indeed. It's Music Tribe, aka Behringer. So there is a real risk of this, especially for people using a Mac as Apple notoriously destroys compatibility of things with their OS updates.

This is why I did not jump on the Black Friday deal even though it was super tempting.

They already dropped PowerCore years ago, while UAD lives on. Ya, not real thrilled, and so glad I didn't invest more than I did into PowerCore. I'd spend my dollars elsewhere.

Devon

[DevonB]

I already have around 20 reverb. I don't think this one will bring me something new on the table

I'd give it a good demo at least, as I disagree with your thoughts. There is something 'seamless' and natural about the TC VSS4 algo that I just haven't found in anything else. I had a TC Reverb 4000 hardware unit (the stereo version of the Reverb 6000) for a short while, and just demoed the new plugin, and it sure does sound nice. The TC hardware is notorious for power supply problems and didn't find out until after I had acquired the Reverb 4000, so I ended up selling it, and just been waiting for Relab's version. You could also just buy TC VSS4 HD plugin from them for $249. Little gun shy buying from TC since they dropped the PowerCore after I invested in that years ago too. Hopefully Relab is less than what I can just buy the real thing for.

Devon

Nice, it's $149 for pre-order and $129 if you have another one of their products. I can do $129.

Devon

[vitocorleone123]

Haven’t been able to produce something I like as much or more than Cinematic Rooms Pro yet.

The Relab is a little lighter but also a little more artificial sounding.

[jens]

though in the case of Phoenix/Nimbus.. basically Michael Carnes all creations, are by the literal creator of the top tier latest Lexicon models, both hardware and software

To be fair none of the algos they became/are famous for though, right?