Your fav Amp Sims as of 2023?

[Naillerz78]

Worst experience was Overloud THU - shocker, such a time waster, weird tones, terrible GUI.

Its the best one on that list.

For real?? installed and binned THU 5 times chasing the amazing tones I read about on forums. Are we talking primarily heavy music here? The ‘profiler/rig player ’ (name?) patches sounded like Sh1t imo. Tried different interfaces etc also.

The various expansions carry certain exclusives modules. There are other TH-U Premium license exclusives like additional modules and Supercabinet built in. A timeline of recent TH-U improvements from around 2022.

2024-02-03 STANDALONE EXPANSION: Made In Rock 3-Pack (Vox AC30, JMP50, Acoustic 320 Fluid Profiles)
2022-02-01 STANDALONE EXPANSION: TH-U RockGuy Pack (1971 Rockman Sustainor)
2021 STANDALONE EXPANSION: BHS METLX (Yamaha SPX90 Symphonic Preset)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/Overloud/TH-U/ ... l+List.pdf

2024-07-02 1.4.28 TH-U Premium Update: (Eventide H3000 Micropitch Chorus program)
2024-05-01 1.4.26 TH-U Premium Update: (AI-powered Fluid IR)
2024-03-26 1.4.24 TH-U Premium Update: (Klon Centaur Fluid Profile)
2023-03-10 1.4.19 TH-U Premium Update: (DyTronics C5 Tri-Stereo Chorus)
2022-10-04 1.4.18 TH-U Premium Update: (EHX Small Stone, Reverse Delay, modulated modern reverb)
2021-09-39 1.4.5 TH-U Premium Update: (Utra Oversample Mode)
2021-02-08 1.3 TH-U Premium Update (Double IR loader + Improved cabinet processing with Fluid Convolution)
2019-01-24 Overloud TH-U Premium

Yes but do they sound better. My version already has 5,000 presets/patches. It’s all hyperbole and marketing to me.What genre of music do you play.

Their new RockGuy is advertised as “the best amp sim we’ve ever created” or some such. That’s probably accurate as it’s a solid state transistor unit afaik. I’d believe that.. based on their tube modelling so far they’ve defo nailed that solid state sound

[electro]

The stomp modules in TH-U outclass Amplitube stomps. Rock Guy is their most recent algo sim predating the new Liquid Profiles and are probably all on the same level as the best ToneX profiles. Would I be able to pick the TH-U Klon Centaur blind from the real pedal? I don't know. Once you get to A/B the hardware in tone as well as feel there's no more room to go. The Brainworx Ampegs and Kazrog standalone sims with Nebula Fullerton are all there too.

[Naillerz78]

Oh true. That’s pretty rad. Sounds great that Fullerton.The older nebula amps sounded amazing from the YT demos esp the AC30. My system couldn’t handle tho and very complex to get going that nebula. Kazrogs were very ‘clean’ and clear sounding also. His ac30 was great. That’s a step forward for sure.

[Naillerz78]

One thing I could never understand tho is that old aliasing/ graininess/ sizzle issue with sims. Mixers/producers always advised to put low pass filters in the DAW before the sim in the XYZ KHz ranges etc (or some such) to solve that problem.
The sim software guys had to be aware of it so wy the fk didn’t they just build HPFs into the goddamn sims in the first place and put out a better sounding sim out of the gate?

[Nug Wrangler]

Black Rooster Audio Cypress TT-15

This is quite good.

Indeed

[stoopicus]

The sim software guys had to be aware of it so wy the fk didn’t they just build HPFs into the goddamn sims in the first place and put out a better sounding sim out of the gate?

Not sure what sims you are using, but many do.

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They often also include controls for the oversampling depth, also to let you balance latency with avoiding aliasing. That particular one (Amplifikation Caliburn) oversamples up to 8x.

[Naillerz78]

The sim software guys had to be aware of it so wy the fk didn’t they just build HPFs into the goddamn sims in the first place and put out a better sounding sim out of the gate?

Not sure what sims you are using, but many do.

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They often also include controls for the oversampling depth, also to let you balance latency with avoiding aliasing. That particular one (Amplifikation Caliburn) oversamples up to 8x.

Ohhhh true (facepalms ). Thanks for pointing that out ! I’ll give another go.
Kuassa’s Marshall’s were some of the better ones back in the day indeed. But then in their ‘360’ all in one standalone..the same amps sounded harsher. Maybe cos they all had that awful ‘Zep Fuzz’ in front (the sweet sound of ripping Velcro)
Must be HP and LP controls there too I missed.

Do you believe the quality of the modelling has improved that much in the past decade? And how

[stoopicus]

I do; I consider amp sims to be pretty mature now. Kuassa's later sims are great. Amplitube's are great. NeuralDSP's are fantastic. etc etc.

Modern sims are better in that their modeling extends way beyond normal operation; these amps all overdrive well to my ears now, and we are at a point where they sit just fine in a mix and are basically indistinguishable *to listeners* from actual amps, for all intents and purposes.

In the end, minute differences between an Ampeg SVT sim and a real Ampeg SVT just don't matter any more; in the mix both will sound fine. You could easily tell them apart with spectral analysis, but it just doesn't matter.



You're not going to be able to tell those apart in a mix.

[Naillerz78]

I do; I consider amp sims to be pretty mature now. Kuassa's later sims are great. Amplitube's are great. NeuralDSP's are fantastic. etc etc.

Modern sims are better in that their modeling extends way beyond normal operation; these amps all overdrive well to my ears now, and we are at a point where they sit just fine in a mix and are basically indistinguishable *to listeners* from actual amps, for all intents and purposes.

In the end, minute differences between an Ampeg SVT sim and a real Ampeg SVT just don't matter any more; in the mix both will sound fine. You could easily tell them apart with spectral analysis, but it just doesn't matter.



You're not going to be able to tell those apart in a mix.

But what exactly do you mean by ‘mature’?
What is that technically ..or in sound reproduction terms? To ‘Overdrive well’ means without sizzle / harshness/ grainy-ness no?

I think sims sat in the mix fine and we’re indistinguishable from actual amps 10 years ago tbh *when used by skilled producers*
And we’re being used on big artist recordings since back then also AC/DC etc if I recall. And some over-drove as good as .. 10 years ago haha

So it’s a case of the aliasing being now fixed and taken out inside modern sims or ??

I just watched some YT clips of THU and remembered why I hated it…All the amps sound basically the same. It’s a hard Randall chugging tone DAAAHH .. or else it’s a hard Marshall crunch sound or else it’s a hard clean Marshall sound. Even the Fender’s and Voxes sound like the same clean Marshall. All the amps have the same 2 sonic signatures pretty much. Meanwhile the graphics change and the ears imagine there is a difference.

A fender Deville or a Twin R does not sound like that. Or a Vox. Close your eyes and listen. It’s a scam!

[Naillerz78]

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[stoopicus]

But what exactly do you mean by ‘mature’?
What is that technically ..or in sound reproduction terms? To ‘Overdrive well’ means without sizzle / harshness/ grainy-ness no?

Yes and that's somewhat my point. For example, the Soldano there - it's not just that it broke up in a distorted way, it's that its high gain channel distorted in a way that sounded real and very, very close to the actual amp.

This is even more apparent I think with bass amps overdriving, where they now simply get the clean warmth and higher harmonics in sims just like in real amps, but without the glitchiness or *too much* fuzziness. In short, they sound a whole lot more like real bass amps overdriving.

Then again, as I said, the one I keep going back to is Cerberus, which is like 10 years old

[Naillerz78]

But what exactly do you mean by ‘mature’?
What is that technically ..or in sound reproduction terms? To ‘Overdrive well’ means without sizzle / harshness/ grainy-ness no?

Yes and that's somewhat my point. For example, the Soldano there - it's not just that it broke up in a distorted way, it's that its high gain channel distorted in a way that sounded real and very, very close to the actual amp.

This is even more apparent I think with bass amps overdriving, where they now simply get the clean warmth and higher harmonics in sims just like in real amps, but without the glitchiness or *too much* fuzziness. In short, they sound a whole lot more like real bass amps overdriving.

Then again, as I said, the one I keep going back to is Cerberus, which is like 10 years old

Cerebus FTW
But why? The newer ones are better and more real!. Cos It’s not all about sound reproduction and realism percentages..is why.

[Naillerz78]

The sim software guys had to be aware of it so wy the fk didn’t they just build HPFs into the goddamn sims in the first place and put out a better sounding sim out of the gate?

Not sure what sims you are using, but many do.

Screenshot 2024-07-15 at 10.53.07.png

They often also include controls for the oversampling depth, also to let you balance latency with avoiding aliasing. That particular one (Amplifikation Caliburn) oversamples up to 8x.

Thanks for the tip on this.
I tried the Kuassa’s again but .. those HP and LP knobs are pretty much useless cos the user has to “guess” where to set them and I don’t have golden ears . Sizzle exists at various Hz bit just one. Feels a bit gimmicky those knobs. Need a sweepable EQ moreso to isolate sizzle. With a narrow Q band. Or something.

I’m back to Revalver. Can’t believe the sounds I was getting last night with my new LP Special w p90s.
Could be thanks to a new Arturia interface with a dedicated guitar input switch I’ve recently acquired. Lots more hi-end in the tones now.

Thats interface no 5. in my quest to get a good sound out of Overloud and Amplitube and the best sounding one so far

[Naillerz78]

Anyone have any suggestions for recent sims for non metal music , that are light on CPU / would run on an older setup? I wanna try some new ones.
Thanks !

[Naillerz78]

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