GForce OB-1

[BONES]

All a matter of personal taste, I'd take the Oberheim sound, especially SEM's magical filter, over just about anything else I can think of. I have an embarrassingly large number of OB type plugins. Of course, I have my favourites but you can't know which are going to work best for you until you've spent a goodly amount of time working with them, so I snap up new ones as they appear. That's the beauty of software - if you buy something and it turns out to be a bit of a dud, there's no harm done so you can just buy them on spec and if they work out, they work out. If they don't, they don't. It's just like Friday night at the pub - you go and spend your $80 (5 or 6 pints and dinner) every week and sometimes you get a great night, other times you're bored stiff. But you keep going back because the great nights make it worth putting up with the boring ones.

So you set me off on listening to a bunch of demos, from the ob-1, ubxa, ob-6 and teo-5.
Unfortunately, although i like the sounda ob1 has, in comparison to the teo 5 it's quite lacking

Sounds like someone has pre-ordered a Teo-5 and needs to reinforce his decision with a load of bullshit. What does "lacking" even mean? I'll tell you what's lacking - Teo 5 only has 5 voices, compared to OB-1's 16. For something that costs 40 times more to buy, that's a huge "lacking", right up-front. It means the OB-1 will always be able to sound fuller and richer than Teo-5 when you need/want it to.

Of course, Teo-5 has a the full SEM filter so naturally it will be able to do notch filtered timbres that OB-1's LP filter can't but, by the same token, the OB-1 has a 24dB/oct mode that Teo-5 won't match, so it's swings and roundabouts.

... definitely like a software synth which I can't unheard now.

... now that you've committed all that money on a piece of hardware you didn't need to buy to get great sounds. I'd be pissed off with my own stupidity, too, but I wouldn't be taking it out on software.

Does anyone have a real OB-1? It would make life easier if they could demonstrate it against this plugin rather than all the subjective opinions.

Why? How important is it that it matches the sound of a synth you've likely never heard in your life?

a bass that sounds like a helicopter.
usually a modulated tone, for that thukka thukka thukka type of thing.

Helicopters are tuneless, surely you use noise to make a helicopter sound. I've never seen a bass patch labelled with "helicopter" but I've seen plenty of "effects" sounds using noise to make a helicopter sound. It seems what we are really talking about here is a simple running bassline, which is what I'd figured (but I thought I'd check, in case I'd got it wrong).

There still isn't anything ITB that matches the immediacy of hardware for playing.

Another load of cobblers. Once you've spent enough time with a Roli Seaboard or a Linnstrument, going back to hard plastic keys feels like selling yourself and your music short. It's like banging on bricks. Even playing my softsynths with a standard MIDI controller, like a KeyStep or MPK, feels EXACTLY like playing a hardware instrument. And before you start bangin' on about latency, back in the day Scott Solida did a big test on his dungeon full of hardware and found that some of his hardware synths had latency of as much as 25ms. IIRC, the average was something like 19ms, which is close to double the total round-trip latency of my PC system (11.8ms). You might be able to uncover the original thread, although it is probably 20 years old by now.

[DashOfLime]

There still isn't anything ITB that matches the immediacy of hardware for playing.

Another load of cobblers. Once you've spent enough time with a Roli Seaboard or a Linnstrument, going back to hard plastic keys feels like selling yourself and your music short. It's like banging on bricks. Even playing my softsynths with a standard MIDI controller, like a KeyStep or MPK, feels EXACTLY like playing a hardware instrument. And before you start bangin' on about latency, back in the day Scott Solida did a big test on his dungeon full of hardware and found that some of his hardware synths had latency of as much as 25ms. IIRC, the average was something like 19ms, which is close to double the total round-trip latency of my PC system (11.8ms). You might be able to uncover the original thread, although it is probably 20 years old by now.

You tried arguing about hardware with...hardware. And as always with BONES bullshit you selectively edit to try to prove your point. Good job man. Good to see you're keeping up your standards. Anyhow, again, nothing like playing the System-8 on System-8 hardware. Since you brought up a standard MIDI controller....no playing the System-8 VST with a KeyStep isn't the same thing as playing the System-8 hardware. Its not the same using a MiniLab which I own and has plenty of knobs and sliders.

[IvyBirds]

There still isn't anything ITB that matches the immediacy of hardware for playing.

Sure there is, I have more fully mapped physical controls ITB than I would on the TEO-5 and it's universal for every analog style synth

If I want to play something immediately, I will just sit down at my piano or pick up my acoustic guitar

If I want to play electronic music with hardware or software Synths I am up and running in less than 60 seconds unless the hardware synth takes longer than that to boot up

Once up and running (again in less than 60 seconds) I am recording all the audio and all the MIDI for instant recall if needed

[BONES]

You tried arguing about hardware with...hardware. And as always with BONES bullshit you selectively edit to try to prove your point.

As opposed to your gambit of being deliberately dense. You understand the difference as well as anyone, it simply doesn't suit your purpose to acknowledge it.

nothing like playing the System-8 on System-8 hardware.

I can think of a few things, like slamming my cock in a car door or performing my own dentistry on the kitchen table with a shaving mirror taped to an articulated lamp base, without anaesthetic.

Since you brought up a standard MIDI controller....no playing the System-8 VST with a KeyStep isn't the same thing as playing the System-8 hardware..

Thank f**k! No f**king about with cables, no need for a mixer or chasing down hum, everything just works. And the System 8 doesn't even have aftertouch, unlike a KeyStep, so "playing" isn't in the same ballpark. But I fear your idea of "playing" has f**k-all to do with notes and expressivity and is all about fiddling with your knobs.

[_leras]

Sounds like someone has pre-ordered a Teo-5 and needs to reinforce his decision with a load of bullshit. What does "lacking" even mean? I'll tell you what's lacking - Teo 5 only has 5 voices, compared to OB-1's 16. For something that costs 40 times more to buy, that's a huge "lacking", right up-front. It means the OB-1 will always be able to sound fuller and richer than Teo-5 when you need/want it to.

Of course, Teo-5 has a the full SEM filter so naturally it will be able to do notch filtered timbres that OB-1's LP filter can't but, by the same token, the OB-1 has a 24dB/oct mode that Teo-5 won't match, so it's swings and roundabouts.

... definitely like a software synth which I can't unheard now.

... now that you've committed all that money on a piece of hardware you didn't need to buy to get great sounds. I'd be pissed off with my own stupidity, too, but I wouldn't be taking it out on software.

I wish... I have had money aside for a few years now for a poly, but have analysis paralysis and also lots of soft synths. So still undecided.

I kinda overlooked the teo 5 as I thought the OB6 didn't quite have the sound I wanted. But the teo 5 is a lot more fizzy and alive. So probably makes my list (summit, nymphes + modwave, or teo 5 now).

It's actually the same kind of fizzy growliness that I like about the g forve ob 1. Of course the ob 1 is also great value, I'd be surprised if didn't pick I up after demoing.

I have nothing against soft synths. Or even low quality softsynths. I still run a few reaktor legacy library synths that many would turn their noses up, but which I have a place for.

[IvyBirds]

Anyhow, again, nothing like playing the System-8 on System-8 hardware.

Yes nothing like having a pathetic 49 keys and no after touch on a $1750 instrument

Weirdly I find playing on my 72 or 88 key controllers and having everything mapped in a universal way for every analog style subtractive synth to be far more satisfying. Especially as I have more knobs, faders, and buttons available than are on the System 8, laid out exactly how I want them

I even have polyphonic Aftertouch on my 88 key controller for the software Synths I use that support it

[HOTF]

Anyhow, again, nothing like playing the System-8 on System-8 hardware.

Yes nothing like having a pathetic 49 keys and no after touch on a $1750 instrument

Weirdly I find playing on my 72 or 88 key controllers and having everything mapped in a universal way for every analog style subtractive synth to be far more satisfying. Especially as I have more knobs, faders, and buttons available than are on the System 8, laid out exactly how I want them

I even have polyphonic Aftertouch on my 88 key controller for the software Synths I use that support it

does your controller have green leds? didn't think so... CHECKMATE!

[pekbro]

Controllers are lame imo, unless u buy a really nice one with properly weighted
keys. E.g more costly than many synths.

Of course, i am a piano player and pretty
biased.

*Best one i ever used was a kurzweil stage
piano.

[IvyBirds]

Controllers are lame imo, unless u buy a really nice one with properly weighted
keys. E.g more costly than many synths.

Of course, i am a piano player and pretty
biased.

*Best one i ever used was a kurzweil stage
piano.

I am a piano player also, my 88 key controller is a Yamaha Montage M 88 key, it has the best keybed I have ever played in a controller or synth

[Aloysius]

I am a banjo player yee haw!!!

[pekbro]

Controllers are lame imo, unless u buy a really nice one with properly weighted
keys. E.g more costly than many synths.

Of course, i am a piano player and pretty
biased.

*Best one i ever used was a kurzweil stage
piano.

I am a piano player also, my 88 key controller is a Yamaha Montage M 88 key, it has the best keybed I have ever played in a controller or synth

Nice! how much was that?

[pekbro]

I am a banjo player yee haw!!!

Yea banjos are cool, id like to have one.
I only have guitars currently, tho i could
prob do the guitar banjo battle thing
pretty well.

[_leras]

I've done a short demo of this now, and Initially I liked the sound in some areas, but less in others.

But then.... I started playing with the oscillators X-Mod and this introduced a seriously great amount of gnarliness. That one small set of osc mod controls, particularly X-Mod is very epic.

In typical fashion I ended up with a really great sound, but the demo doesn't allow it to be saved!!

I unfortunately also demoed Synapse LegendHZ at the same time, which has an amazing sound - but is really not such good value, or perhaps is good value, but also more expensive.

[IvyBirds]

Nice! how much was that?

Nothing because as a gigging musician it is my main gigging board and it paid for itself after 9 gigs

Since then it's all been gravy

Buying a Montage M for $4500 isn't for everyone but if you are a gigging musician it's awesome and does double duty back home in your studio

If you are not a gigging musician there are a TON of really nice controllers that are far cheaper than the System 8

[BONES]

As a gigging musician, the last thing I want is something as huge as that to lug around, especially when you have to fly. Excess baggage would be a killer and unaccompanied would be a PITA. My entire set-up is a single man-load, including my keyboard stand. For air travel, most of it goes as carry-on and my "big" controller and keyboard stand fit into my big suitcase, along with my changes of clothes, etc., for check-in. Between the two controllers I have nine-and-a-half octaves of keys to play.

I kinda overlooked the teo 5 as I thought the OB6 didn't quite have the sound I wanted. But the teo 5 is a lot more fizzy and alive. So probably makes my list (summit, nymphes + modwave, or teo 5 now).

Just remember to try them out in store before you buy. Things can be very different in person from the impressions you get from YouTube.

Yes nothing like having a pathetic 49 keys and no after touch on a $1750 instrument

I'd suggest that is plenty of keys for an instrument with only five voices. Think of it as a lead synth -you play it with one hand and chords (if you must) on something else with your other hand. All it takes is the tiniest bit of imagination.

I unfortunately also demoed Synapse LegendHZ at the same time, which has an amazing sound - but is really not such good value, or perhaps is good value, but also more expensive.

I think those two have very different strengths and weaknesses. I reckon they'd complement each other quite well.