Should new DAWs be developed in 2024?

[Touch The Universe]

They can debug code as we speak, seems only a matter of time to write code.

[resynthesis]

There was quite a large test run recently and the AI produced better code for simple problems than the humans. It was for more complex problem definitions that the AI coder was less useful. It's all a matter of time though...

[Valkasman]

I couldn't imagine there being a new DAW. If feels like all the existing DAWs are all borrowing ideas from others to the best of their abilities. While others are also borrowing ideas from other plugins. I couldn't imagine what a new innovative DAW would look like in 2024. If there was I can only imagine how expensive it would be.

[vurt]

no point. computers are just a fad.

[MrJubbly]

I could see it happening at some point. For a new DAW to become successful, it would likely have to offer the majority of what other DAWs can offer, in an extremely streamlined and user-friendly interface with a super-efficient workflow. It would also likely have to fully embrace much of the newer machine-learning/AI tools becoming available, to attract a new audience, or tempt existing DAW users away from their current choices.

[pdxindy]

I am just hoping the current DAWs don't get too far in to the AI circle jerk before deleting it all. I will be so happy when the genAI fad dies out and it just becomes another Clippy.

Sorry, but AI is going to take over in DAW's.

It's easy to see the future of AI in DAW's when looking at novel writing software. Today, you can create commercially viable novels written entirely by AI. It's not that the AI can write a novel at the push of a button, but rather its a more interactive and iterative process. Think of it as you, the author, being a movie director and the AI is the actors. You describe how the characters act, the setting and the what happens scene by scene and the AI writes the prose.

I'd say it's inevitable that DAW's will follow a similar path. Logic has started in that direction and in 10 years, any DAW that has not followed suit will be nearing irrelevancy.

[xbitz]

I would like to see something that reduces the possible options rather than a complete solution. Even on a send fx with an EQ + reverb + compressor combination, there are so many variations that an AI that guides you through the typical settings within a given genre—something like 'if you have this, then typically this fits'—would be quite useful

Current programming tests show that an AI truly shines when it utilizes existing solutions; it struggles with new problems. Therefore, development should head in that direction, education is a good example of this. It can show what solutions have been used so far, and then you can come up with something new.

[rod_zero]

The market is over saturated already, I doubt any investor will try their luck.

[mjudge55]

I am just hoping the current DAWs don't get too far in to the AI circle jerk before deleting it all. I will be so happy when the genAI fad dies out and it just becomes another Clippy.

Sorry, but AI is going to take over in DAW's.

It's easy to see the future of AI in DAW's when looking at novel writing software. Today, you can create commercially viable novels written entirely by AI. It's not that the AI can write a novel at the push of a button, but rather its a more interactive and iterative process. Think of it as you, the author, being a movie director and the AI is the actors. You describe how the characters act, the setting and the what happens scene by scene and the AI writes the prose.

I'd say it's inevitable that DAW's will follow a similar path. Logic has started in that direction and in 10 years, any DAW that has not followed suit will be nearing irrelevancy.

Okay but suppose you could just push a button. Is there something inherently meaningful to us humans in interacting with AI to make music such that we'd keep doing it for fun even if it was outmoded? At that point, aren't we just as likely to go back to making music without AI?

[syntonica]

People will soon discover that AI can only produce the lowest common denominator. It has no understanding of truthiness o0pemotion and can only produce soulless drivel. It has its uses, but creating decent art is not one of them.

[VOODOO U]

can only produce soulless drivel.

Which is no different than what the bedroom musician can produce.

[syntonica]

can only produce soulless drivel.

Which is no different than what the bedroom musician can produce.

Meow!

[Logickin]

The answer is yes for Music Trackers. Up to these days, I am yet to see a single tracker that supports MPE for plugins, yet they used to have the "mindset" for implementing trackers like note slides and vibrato which is a form a polyphonic pitch bend.

I am just hoping the current DAWs don't get too far in to the AI circle jerk before deleting it all. I will be so happy when the genAI fad dies out and it just becomes another Clippy.

Sorry, but AI is going to take over in DAW's.

Well, not really, and there are many problems stopping this from happens.

1. the way to obtain training data is questionable, and oftentimes, they don't have the permission to use the material because they are all copyrighted in some extents. I remembered there are lawsuit suing these generative music companies. [1]

2. They are resource intensive. I don't understand why there is seemingly an illusion that people keep thinking AI is a magic box that can do anything without any effort; in reality, they require millions of data, and power consumption of a whole city, along with 30k GPUs. I don't seems to see those company can really make any profits to cover their cost.

3. Most of the people making music because this is their hobbies, same things as writing diary or playing Go game. Just because there is chatGPT for generating texts or Alpha Go mastering the game, is that means people will give up on their hobbies of writing or play go? I don't think so. I study AI, but I still love making music with my own hands and avoid any AI tools during making music because I love the progress of making them. Then what I need to write music? A DAW! Prompting into a console and hoping for the best for some good enough audio missing the whole fun and meaning of making music.

AI will provide quality of life features for DAW users, but I think it will never replace daws. Just like Daws never replace score writing, while midi never replace real performance.

[legendCNCD]

I hope we move to browser javascript daws so we can do music everywhere not depending on the machine!!1 Javascript and browsers are so great, they keep almost with the timings and everything, makes music more human when timings are not precise!!1

[WackyZoundz]

People will soon discover that AI can only produce the lowest common denominator.

...which is what most people want so it's a great tool for the masses. For artists it's useless.