Does using an ILOK dongle get me around the background process always running?

[BBFG#]

same - iLok is... intrusive... on my system...

also, mis-quoting me is inappropriate - i said "least intrusive". let's avoid that type of false information going forward.

I didn't misquote you, I just removed the adjectives you placed to minimize the reality. You did say it was intrusive, albeit less than others in you opinion. And the "victimization" I'm referring to is specifically about the company/support rhetoric. Which you seemingly are yet unaware of, yet repeating as I would expect. As far as the CPU usage, you're not looking at what I said. It's in the increase of Windows processes as a parasite to those.

[BBFG#]

They actually told me they had to lie to people

You should share this actual conversation, too good for just alluding to, no?

I did once. Admins removed it and gave me a warning of being suspended/banned though.

(I've also spent more time on this than I want to now.)

[jens]

so if you're being "victimized" by it, i'd recommend you check your configuration, make sure your DAW isn't constantly checking, make sure your A/V has exceptions for the DAW processes. etc because you're reporting an extraordinary amount of resource use...

and updating that good old 486 certainly won't hurt too much either...

[jens]

same - iLok is... intrusive... on my system...

also, mis-quoting me is inappropriate - i said "least intrusive". let's avoid that type of false information going forward.

I did misquote you, I removed the adjectives. it was intrusive. I'm a parasite.

That much we know - but thanks for confirming either way.

[jens]

Admins gave me a warning of being suspended/banned.

What a surprise!

[BBFG#]

same - iLok is... intrusive... on my system...

also, mis-quoting me is inappropriate - i said "least intrusive". let's avoid that type of false information going forward.

I did misquote you, I removed the adjectives. it was intrusive. I'm a parasite.

That much we know - but thanks for confirming either way.

Now that's you misquoting.
But I would expect that since it's all you got. Did you learn that from the company directly or do you align with that method naturally? (Rhetorical.)

[BBFG#]

I did once. Admins gave me a warning of being suspended/banned.

What a surprise!

And I didn't even have to parse their message. I believe the admins position was more about quieting the herd more than me doing anything wrong. I remember them deleting several comments from several members both pro and con and issuing multiple warnings to all involved. It happens in most iLok threads where the problems with it are met with a blind insistence that it is perfect and any problem is the person or the system. (Did iLok even exist when we were using 486s?)
You know you guys could have just accepted it happens sometimes and not reacted as usual.
There are two kinds of people that have experienced iLok. Those that had problems with it or the company, and those that haven't yet...

So let's not waste any more time on this back and forth.

[revvy]

They actually told me they had to lie to people

You should share this actual conversation, too good for just alluding to, no?

I did once. Admins removed it and gave me a warning of being suspended/banned though.

I see. We’ll take your word for it then.

Crazy of the PACE folk to admit that to you. Sounds like they need to see a shrink!

[BBFG#]

They actually told me they had to lie to people

You should share this actual conversation, too good for just alluding to, no?

I did once. Admins removed it and gave me a warning of being suspended/banned though.

I see. We’ll take your word for it then.

Crazy of the PACE folk to admit that to you. Sounds like they need to see a shrink!

It took some effort to get them to. I learned a lot about how they evade direct responses. And it's a pattern that their ardent users seem to fall into also.
Remember that I was one, until I realized what it was doing, caught their lie and forced them to admit it to me.

[mothra]

There are two kinds of people that have experienced iLok. Those that had problems with it or the company, and those that haven't yet...

So let's not waste any more time on this back and forth.

After about 10 years or so of using it with no trouble whatsoever, I really wonder how long it takes for that 'yet' bunch to kick in..

[lfm]

There are two kinds of people that have experienced iLok. Those that had problems with it or the company, and those that haven't yet...

So let's not waste any more time on this back and forth.

After about 10 years or so of using it with no trouble whatsoever, I really wonder how long it takes for that 'yet' bunch to kick in..

There were an update on Windows a couple of years ago, as I recall, that made iLok stop working.
- not sure for how long though before it was fixed
- but not PACE fault really, more like Microsoft and their rookie programmers they hire

I had an update Windows 11 last year that suddenly had completely new bold font on entire desktop, and settings for shadows under text did not work, and everything looked really bad.
- how do they even release this
- because they can just fix it in a later release, so they become lazy testing before release

Same with Xbox, suddenly updates that make racing wheels stop working.

I don't know how much patience people have, but think other systems like pads and such outnumber Windows PC already.
- but MS make crazy money anyway, so....

[legendCNCD]

Dont let your audio machine auto update anything.

[Dogbert]

......

[jinotsuh]

It must come from other places as well? This laptop has never seen hide nor hair of iLok Manager, (no need, I don't use Lap Tops for Audio/Music) and Bonjour is there.

[bungle]

same - iLok is... intrusive... on my system...

And if comparing to other non-audio production bloat, you're not getting the point anyway.

Generally iLok/PACE adds a around 4% idling with regular jumps upward of 12% or more. Spikes can be anywhere from 17%-30%. And its processes show in increased OS processes, not under its own name(s). Unfortunately, the only way to see the difference is by measuring a clean system before installing it and then seeing the difference after installing it. Even uninstalling it after that will not give you the same measurement from a fresh install. My biggest problem has more to do with the company and support now though. They actually told me they had to lie to people to get them to use it and were quite indifferent to doing so. One of the most disgusting experiences I've had with a company. Now I think of them as mobsters running a protection racket. And that people that use it are victims.

You do realise that all that word salad means absolutely nothing, right?
Absolutely nobody can quantify anything you are saying because you just use random numbers with no context or baseline information, 12% of what? 17%-30% of what?
You give zero indication of CPU or RAM or Windows version used, so the numbers you post mean nothing, wait.....0%.

Then you state that comparing a clean system before installing it and after installing it is the only way to test, but then uninstalling it will not give you clean results again.
Again, this is word salad, is this a fresh install? or a used working install? how long after the install is it? because like it or not, every OS does a lot of indexing in the background after any update, including fresh installs, even if it is not telling you that it is doing so, and service and runtime trackers are not very accurate tracking this either, admittedly Apple operating systems do it more, but they are a bit more transparent doing it, but still it does affect performance.

Thirdly you state that you have a problem with the company, so do we now ignore your first remarks because they are designed to negate a company you have a problem with? or do we assume you are unbiased? because you have since ranted on that iLok users are biased positively towards the company, so do we have to assume you are projecting here?

You also accuse the company of lying and being mobsters, I think we need to revisit you biases here on this one, accusing anybody of lying with no proof, other than "trust me bro" is nonsense, and then using tags like 'Mobster' for a company that is you know, just a company and has no illegal dealings whatsoever, as far as anybody is aware, well that is just nonsense again isn't it?

So have you gotten rid of all your JUCE based plugins and software too? you do realise that these 'Mobsters' own JUCE? right?

It must come from other places as well? This laptop has never seen hide nor hair of iLok Manager, (no need, I don't use Lap Tops for Audio/Music) and Bonjour is there.

I would take great care in listening to anybody on a forum of "Experts" telling you to remove anything from your system, plugged in an iPhone or iPad lately? used Maschine? used certain MIDI controllers?
These and a lot more/others can and will install Bonjour and use it.

There are a lot, and I mean a lot of people who don't even know how to look at what services are running who use iLok and plenty of much more intrusive stuff, all day every day, and they are all making music and getting on with their lives, without ever knowing how close they are to PACE kicking their dog!