Sorry for asking, is it not illegal to sample streaming content off youtube and the internet at large?

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I was just thinking about this in another post... What do you guys think?

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It depends entirely on the license. If it's public domain or CC0, for instance, then go for it. But most stuff isn't. But a lot of people just don't care about that stuff at all (until they get in trouble)
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No, it is not illegal to sample streaming content off youtube or the internet at large, just because its on youtube or the internet at large. Copyright law is not based on where someone acquires material from, it is based on who has permission to redistribute.

Subject to very specific and limited exceptions, it is a breach of copyright to redistribute copyrighted material, or work derived from that material, that you acquired from any source (including youtube or the internet at large), if you do not have the permission of the copyright holder.
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As long as you dont make money with it, you can freely sample/remix as you like and publish it for free, right?

But could you also play these tracks live?
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viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:35 pm As long as you dont make money with it, you can freely sample and remix as you like, right?
nope, not even close to right.
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whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:36 pm
viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:35 pm As long as you dont make money with it, you can freely sample and remix as you like, right?
nope, not even close to right.
Really? Even if its just published for free?

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viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:37 pm
whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:36 pm
viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:35 pm As long as you dont make money with it, you can freely sample and remix as you like, right?
nope, not even close to right.
Really? Even if its just published for free?
Yes, really. Copyright law is not based on anything to do with who pays what. As I said before it is based on who has permission to redistribute. You dont get permission just because there was no fee involved in acquiring it.
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edit: nevermind, already covered :)

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It's a silly question but they do have synthesizers and such online as well as stuff live reverb tails that don't get captured by your daw exc so audacity can be very useful. Other peoples stuff is where you get into trouble.

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whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:13 pm No, it is not illegal to sample streaming content off youtube or the internet at large, just because its on youtube or the internet at large. Copyright law is not based on where someone acquires material from, it is based on who has permission to redistribute.

Subject to very specific and limited exceptions, it is a breach of copyright to redistribute copyrighted material, or work derived from that material, that you acquired from any source (including youtube or the internet at large), if you do not have the permission of the copyright holder.
Thank you for your Answer Whyterabbyt

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whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:39 pm
viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:37 pm
whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:36 pm
viewa0 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:35 pm As long as you dont make money with it, you can freely sample and remix as you like, right?
nope, not even close to right.
Really? Even if its just published for free?
Yes, really. Copyright law is not based on anything to do with who pays what. As I said before it is based on who has permission to redistribute. You dont get permission just because there was no fee involved in acquiring it.
Always wondered then... How do these artist pump out bootleg after bootleg on Soundcloud, YT, etc and they keep going? is it not copyright infringement?

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Cyber Samurai wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:32 am How do these artist pump out bootleg after bootleg on Soundcloud, YT, etc and they keep going? is it not copyright infringement?
Not sure whether bootleg still means what it used to be, but the definition of it is that the artist did not publish it, and often it were recordings of concerts or unpublished songs that did not make the album. Maybe you meant to write 'con artist'? ;-)

Sure it is copyright infringement. I don't know about SoundCloud, but YouTube has a very pragmatic approach to it. In the past they would take your video down if their algorithm spotted a piece of copyrighted audio. These days they let the video be there, but all the money made by it (by surrounding advertisements or a share of the 'premium' fee) goes to the copyright holder. It's all fully automated and it keeps everybody happy.
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good way to do thing.... makes it a lot less messy

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BertKoor wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:02 am
Cyber Samurai wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:32 am How do these artist pump out bootleg after bootleg on Soundcloud, YT, etc and they keep going? is it not copyright infringement?
Not sure whether bootleg still means what it used to be, but the definition of it is that the artist did not publish it, and often it were recordings of concerts or unpublished songs that did not make the album. Maybe you meant to write 'con artist'? ;-)

Sure it is copyright infringement. I don't know about SoundCloud, but YouTube has a very pragmatic approach to it. In the past they would take your video down if their algorithm spotted a piece of copyrighted audio. These days they let the video be there, but all the money made by it (by surrounding advertisements or a share of the 'premium' fee) goes to the copyright holder. It's all fully automated and it keeps everybody happy.
youtube will ask if you will allow remixing if I remember right although there is software to create mixes where everything stays on youtube so there is no copyright violation. Seems like there is enough live stuff available where no one would want to bother with it.

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You're thinking of white labels. It's very tricky copyright. I did a 'bootleg' Kylie Minogue remix and put it on Youtube and all I got was an email from Sony Music Group asking me to put them as Publisher in the metadata. I did. I do know of instances where someone used chords from a song in a guitar playing tutorial and had their vid taken down. On the other hand I see people playing entire songs still up.

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