Waldorf MicroWave as a plugin?

[[nx]]

My experience with Waldorf software hasn't been good, so I'm going to keep my expectations low.

[Shabdahbriah]

I suspect it's a plug-in, but that "reveal" was (ummm) considerably beyond 'meh'. I'd love for them to do a MicroWave-Xt plug-in, personally.

You mean as a skin? If my memory serves me right the XT was a bigger version of the MW (rev 2?) with more knobs.

I’m not sure what the differences are, but I believe the XT is quite a bit more complex than the Microwave r2.

The sun is messing with my brain. Microwave II = XT. Microwave 1 rev 2 is my holy grail in terms of sound.

The Microwave II with rev boards #2 or #3 = an XT. Same boards as XT though the latter of course, has all the cool knobs. Other than that {IIRC} same/same, yes.

[bungle]

If Waldorf do bring this out as a plugin I guess they may not turn a blind eye to Vavra in future

The motorolla emulator is perfectly legal , as longs as it's not supplied with the microwave dsp found in the rom file
Which is currently still available on waldorf's site
https://waldorfmusic.com/legacy-microwa ... tk-series/

I know but other companies have pursued developers of plugin emulations before on less grounds eg Roland used to do it all the time

Nintendo did this recently as well. Even if the process itself seems legal, very few people are able to shoulder the legal fees that can quickly pile up and, while they may not be able to remove all traces of the code on the internet, they can make it exceedingly difficult to organize any kind of project around the code.

Nope.
Nintendo were only successful and had any chance of doing anything because the developers of said emulator gave instruction on how to run Nintendo software.
There are two key differences here.
1 These developers flat out refuse to show how to do anything with their emulator.
2 They emulate a chipset, not an entire device, yes you can download it with a name and GUI etc, but the developers only make an emulator of a set of chips.
It is also worth noting that emulation has been given more of a steady footing since the last case where it is now legal for emulators to be on app stores, in fact it is illegal to stop them being on app stores.
It is uncertain that Nintendo will ever have that footing again to do what they so often do (Everybody is keeping an eye on the Mig, to see how that pans out)

[GruvSyco]

If Waldorf do bring this out as a plugin I guess they may not turn a blind eye to Vavra in future

The motorolla emulator is perfectly legal , as longs as it's not supplied with the microwave dsp found in the rom file
Which is currently still available on waldorf's site
https://waldorfmusic.com/legacy-microwa ... tk-series/

I know but other companies have pursued developers of plugin emulations before on less grounds eg Roland used to do it all the time

Nintendo did this recently as well. Even if the process itself seems legal, very few people are able to shoulder the legal fees that can quickly pile up and, while they may not be able to remove all traces of the code on the internet, they can make it exceedingly difficult to organize any kind of project around the code.

Nope.
Nintendo were only successful and had any chance of doing anything because the developers of said emulator gave instruction on how to run Nintendo software.
There are two key differences here.
1 These developers flat out refuse to show how to do anything with their emulator.
2 They emulate a chipset, not an entire device, yes you can download it with a name and GUI etc, but the developers only make an emulator of a set of chips.
It is also worth noting that emulation has been given more of a steady footing since the last case where it is now legal for emulators to be on app stores, in fact it is illegal to stop them being on app stores.
It is uncertain that Nintendo will ever have that footing again to do what they so often do (Everybody is keeping an eye on the Mig, to see how that pans out)

I wasn't saying anything about the legality of the emulation. I'm saying that if any of these developers get hit with a cease and desist from any kind of large corporation, they will stop doing what they are doing. Even if they can win in court, they most likely don't have the money to do battle. It can simply be a challenge to a companies IP in court. The site hosts or the code hosts also would not want to be tied up with legal expenses. It has nothing to do with the legality of it. Can they afford to take on the legal fight if it happens.

[dayjob]

My experience with Waldorf software hasn't been good, so I'm going to keep my expectations low.

yeah.. they're plug ins have potential to be good but they seem to not fix bugs over major version updates and the preset browser is always a trainwreck. still, sometimes they make nice sounding things. but as always ymmv because the end user experience can be plagued by some not so fun things.

also, if they make UI work like a microwave or MW XT it'll be kinda dumb... unless there's an "expert panel" or something like arturia does.. even still.. seems like they could just make a better modern UI and be smart about it since in software it can be anything.

still not going to part w/my MW XT... unless they somehow make a 10/10 plug in version w/all the mod options and stuff.

[felis]

My experience with Waldorf software hasn't been good, so I'm going to keep my expectations low.

I wouldn't even consider it until they fix the stuff they've already got out.

[Lbdunequest]

And there is Vavra

Vavra = micro Q

Aight, thanks both are not outstanding in any way, except form because of how clunky they are. Just my opinion.

[osiris]

[chk071]

If Waldorf do bring this out as a plugin I guess they may not turn a blind eye to Vavra in future

The motorolla emulator is perfectly legal , as longs as it's not supplied with the microwave dsp found in the rom file
Which is currently still available on waldorf's site
https://waldorfmusic.com/legacy-microwa ... tk-series/

Unfortunately, as far as I know, that doesn't work (it only acts as an update for your device's firmware). You need an actual dump of the firmware from your device. Which means that you have to own the hardware.

Regarding the microWave as a plugin from Waldorf: I will believe it when I see it. But, would be great, especially as the emulator has a very big CPU footprint, and all the emulations have bugs.

[gentleclockdivider]

If Waldorf do bring this out as a plugin I guess they may not turn a blind eye to Vavra in future

The motorolla emulator is perfectly legal , as longs as it's not supplied with the microwave dsp found in the rom file
Which is currently still available on waldorf's site
https://waldorfmusic.com/legacy-microwa ... tk-series/

Unfortunately, as far as I know, that doesn't work (it only acts as an update for your device's firmware). You need an actual dump of the firmware from your device. Which means that you have to own the hardware.

Regarding the microWave as a plugin from Waldorf: I will believe it when I see it. But, would be great, especially as the emulator has a very big CPU footprint, and all the emulations have bugs.

Yes you're right , you need the eprom -bin files , which can be found on the synth archive site
There are two bin files

Otoh , the waldorf microQ -vavra emulator had enough with just a sysex file

[IvyBirds]

I know but other companies have pursued developers of plugin emulations before on less grounds eg Roland used to do it all the time

Based on the incredible amount of Jupiter 8, and Juno Plugins, as well as the incredible volume of 808 and 909 samples all over the net, it doesn't seem to have been a very fruitful exercise

[DrGonzo]

It's fun to speculate on these things. That Waldorf would recreate the hardware of the original MW would probably be a very risky move in terms of investment. I agree that Waldorf isn't the best when it comes to software plugins (support, updates, etc) - but if they do a Microwave I revision one - it's a day one purchase for me. That sound is incredible.

And comparing MW1 with MQ is like comparing a sabre-toothed tiger with a kitten. The original MW was a dirty and fat sounding beast.

[christian f.]

I still have a MW1 Rev A V2.0.
Even the M couldn't replicate the sound and vibe of it and I doubt this plug in would even come close to the M.
They should have done the XT since it's 100% digital.
8 bit wavetables through the CEM 3389 filter chip is very special and the reason the Rev A is more popular than the Rev B.

[DrGonzo]

I still have a MW1 Rev A V2.0.
Even the M couldn't replicate the sound and vibe of it and I doubt this plug in would even come close to the M.
They should have done the XT since it's 100% digital.
8 bit wavetables through the CEM 3389 filter chip is very special and the reason the Rev A is more popular than the Rev B.

I don't even want to think of how much that thing is worth now. You own one piece of legendary gear that's for sure.

When the M was released I was almost as excited as I am now. But the sound of M wasn't for me. It has a very 'modern' Waldorf sound if that makes any sense, but I think that was a deliberate choice. If they manage to nail the old sound of the original MW for this, we should be in for a good time.

[robelanator]

My experience with Waldorf software hasn't been good, so I'm going to keep my expectations low.

I wouldn't even consider it until they fix the stuff they've already got out.

Going to add my voice to the chorus on this particular sentiment. I bought Largo 2 on launch and have been disappointed in the lack of bug fixes. At the time I wasn't aware of Waldorf's long history of basically abandoning their software after release. Had I known, I wouldn't have bought it. I definitely won't be buying anything else from them in the future unless they start updating their existing plugins semi-regularly.