What’s on your pedalboard for rehearsals / Donner TT/ amps

[Naillerz78]

Hmmm re the Tonex .. I’m just not really hearing it. Andy does the best demos and I’m meh.
Sounds like just another multi effects box to me.
I still hear that digital …’clipping’ or something.
Reminds me of a digitech 360 unit!




Oh and fyi I see in a video below Rhett Shull reckons theres a “problem “ and that “we need to talk about Tonex” (Lol @ RS and his clickbait titles)
But pay no heed …Hes a fckn douchebag anyway

[Uncle E]

Rhett gain staged wrong. Also, so ridiculous that he didn’t just turn the gain knob down. He would’ve found that it was exactly what he was looking for.

Re: amp loudness, the efficiency of the speaker makes a big difference. My buddy has a JBL in his Princeton and he performs on stage with it.

[pekbro]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding, that would be my take from a quick listen, of course without trying it, I can never give a fair assessment of it. I have tried and liked the neural stuff, I even bought a model of an old pedal from past to future reverbs.

Look at all that gear he's got in there to play with, there's no way he's using that Tonex pedal
over that stuff for anything beyond a demo.

[Naillerz78]

Rhett gain staged wrong. Also, so ridiculous that he didn’t just turn the gain knob down. He would’ve found that it was exactly what he was looking for.

Re: amp loudness, the efficiency of the speaker makes a big difference. My buddy has a JBL in his Princeton and he performs on stage with it.

His clickbait worked and I watched the video ( on 1.5 speed cos I find him a waffler/boring AF)
I couldn’t even decipher what the “problem” was.
I thought it was just the “bug” he mentioned?

Typical clickbait garbage. Just another covert sales & marketing video imo. Swhy I can’t watch his vids. Plus after I saw him butcher a Les Zep song . Sacrilege.
Such an “expert” he can’t even work a gain knob.
And looks like a dweeb also.

And yes agreed re the speaker efficiency .
just reading up on a HC forum and saw this interesting tidbit ;

“ Speaker efficiency, a 50 Watt amp through a 100bD speaker will be louder than a 100 Watt amp through a 96dB speaker, all other things beings equal.“

There’s also a range of other things
Class of operation I think is a big one class A (VoxAc30) Vs class AB.
And the whole circuit design and transformer efficiency etc.

A dude PaoloJM runs down in this thread v interesting. (last post of thread)
https://www.harmonycentral.com/forums/t ... 6-wattage/

Seems in line with everything I’ve read on Amps.

[Naillerz78]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding, that would be my take from a quick listen, of course without trying it, I can never give a fair assessment of it. I have tried and liked the neural stuff, I even bought a model of an old pedal from past to future reverbs.

Look at all that gear he's got in there to play with, there's no way he's using that Tonex pedal
over that stuff for anything beyond a demo.

same same re IK, I never got the buzz over Amplitube. Ever.and I’ve tried every version.
Imo their original “Amplitube Uno” was their best sounding haha. That was 15-20 yr ago

My probs with modellers is they sound very “contained” for lack of a better word. Some suffer badly from a digital “clipping” to them. When turned up They lack useable bass freqs (Thin sounding) , they get harsh and ‘square’ sounding. They are the only words I can use.

They are too ‘polite’ basically.
It’s like they get the EQ/ tonality and now most of the feel of a Marshall X model right and correct yes (at a certain volume) …but turn it up in a live context and they don’t ROAR / compress/go wild like the real thing. It gets square and harsh and turns to ..fizzy shit.

It’s like a Marshall but with a suit and tie on.

With a fender type clean / twang sound theyre more usable imo. Their Effects are amazing also yup.I haven’t heard one do a good Vox AC30 top boosted yet.. but haven’t had that many tbh.
Same problem I’d suspect.

But for recording yeah they’ve pretty much nailed it now in that respect no argument there.

[Uncle E]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding, that would be my take from a quick listen, of course without trying it, I can never give a fair assessment of it. I have tried and liked the neural stuff, I even bought a model of an old pedal from past to future reverbs.

Try for yourself. Tonex CS is free and comes with 40 models.

[Naillerz78]

It’s a bit like the emperors new clothes to me
TONEX


Vs DIGITECH 360


Vs Digitech RP1000


Vs BOSS ME80(!)


To me now after buying mucho units over the yrs, Id pay more attn to all the lovely expensive amps these guys are playing the units thru
Eg That Boss guy Josh Munday plays a maybe $5,000 value Friedman/ Marshall HS in his demos Andy plays a nice Marshall 198X or something (handwired? cost? $3-$4K maybe) so what’s really making the “tone”? Is it the lil box or the very expensive hardware it’s running into that’s pumping out the sounds.

yes for sure the TONEX is more detailed modelling but prob same shortfalls play it live/turning up volume.

My last MFX was a Mooer GE-200 I think.
quite useable for $150. Great fx.
Another that Id still wanna try is a NUX300.
The Marshalls and Fender models sounded really lively plus cheap as chips $100 (used)vs $350-$400 say for the Tonex one as it’s new.

[pekbro]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding, that would be my take from a quick listen, of course without trying it, I can never give a fair assessment of it. I have tried and liked the neural stuff, I even bought a model of an old pedal from past to future reverbs.

Try for yourself. Tonex CS is free and comes with 40 models.

I would try the pedal if I had access to it, as for the IK software store, yea no... I'm not
gonna be reasonable about that. thx tho...

I place a high value on your opinion of such things, so i've no doubt it's good. I'm just
not really interested in amp / fx modeling, just speaker modeling. Maybe if they had
a standalone speaker sim.

[Gavincoolguy]

I don't think tube amps are holding their values anymore outside of the ones constantly chased. No one wants to carry them, you can't turn them up anywhere anymore and the convince of a whole rig in a single pedal really wiped the market. I bought my AC30 mint a couple years old for $300 and just did a tube swap.

[Naillerz78]

I don't think tube amps are holding their values anymore outside of the ones constantly chased. No one wants to carry them, you can't turn them up anywhere anymore and the convince of a whole rig in a single pedal really wiped the market. I bought my AC30 mint a couple years old for $300 and just did a tube swap.

Wow u got a fantastic deal
Yes AC30s esp are quite heavy and v loud.
Where I am (Australia) Vox’s hold their value on the used market ( I keep an eye on them particularly)
They must be still very popular w players/ performers. I saw a Vox s/s lil 15w amp going for $300(!) even. That one a pathfinder15 ( I think) w/reverb n tremolo is a well regarded/cult amp and rare here. It sold very quickly.

[Uncle E]

I'm just
not really interested in amp / fx modeling, just speaker modeling. Maybe if they had
a standalone speaker sim.

Have you tried Ox Stomp yet? That's what I use with my real amps, after the Suhr Reactive Load. It completely blows away the Two Notes and Fractal plugins for me.

I'd like to try the Boss IR-200 since it can do different cabinets on each output.

[pekbro]

I'm just
not really interested in amp / fx modeling, just speaker modeling. Maybe if they had
a standalone speaker sim.

Have you tried Ox Stomp yet? That's what I use with my real amps, after the Suhr Reactive Load. It completely blows away the Two Notes and Fractal plugins for me.

I'd like to try the Boss IR-200 since it can do different cabinets on each output.

Haven't tried it no, i have one of their amp pedals and like it a lot, whenever I'm not using the loadbox and amp, i generally use it for futzing around. Maybe I will pick the Ox stomp as well,
thx

*The UA pedal works well for me since I have the ctc echotopia which outputs stereo and makes a nice chain with all the big stereo fx I tend to use.

[Uncle E]

Yes, their amp pedals are great. Was going to suggest them to OP except he seems to be looking for multi FX.

[zerocrossing]

There is nothing boxy or weak sounding about a good Tonex capture. Not everyone can make a good Tonex capture.

[Naillerz78]

Yes, their amp pedals are great. Was going to suggest them to OP except he seems to be looking for multi FX.

What is this u speak of? I’ve lost track of the posts now. An Ox stomp pedal.. is it a modeller and does it need a power amp?
I want something super portable that sounds really good and easy to set up/ dial in fast for rehearsals. For blues-punk-rock sounds. With budgetary constraints. And to plug into a speaker cab or 2 as this will give best sound imo. Not the PA.

And to see what everyone is using for that situation nowadays and their’ must-have’ go-to pedals/boards also.

I have some* pedals for fx…wah/dirt/fuzz/delay (basic cheap ones)
I also just found 2 more cheapies in a box - Joyo Brit sound & ACTone.. whoop !