Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[kmonkey]

Their mixer visually resembles SSL Mixer. One has to be a complete brick not to realize it. The DSP running in that mixer and how close it is to the real hardware mixer is another story. But to say this isn't an SSL model at least when it comes to mixing workflow - how dumb!

I think you guys need to do some reading up on what a console emulation actually is (i.e. what the general consenus on the definition of said term is).

Hint: it's neither a compressor nor is it an EQ.
(Which isn't to say that console emulation aren't sometines including one or the other or both of these.)

And the "DSP running in the mixer" in Reason is simple summing, as in just about every other DAW.

And yeah: one has to be an "absolute brick" indeed to not realize this - we can agree on that.

What nonsense have you spitting since you quoted me? Which part needs to be sketched for you? Tell me where did I mention or start debating what the console emulation is - or is not?

You are hinting at what exactly? And tell me where did you start fantasizing about summing? Do you need a friend to talk to or something?

Read again, I said their mixer visually represents SSL. I also said their DSP is up for debate. If you think their DSP in the mixer is only summing you somehow failed to notice they also have EQ and compressor there attached to the signal flow? Or wait are you going to reinvent tap water now? It is not EQ and it is not the compressor. It is what? Something meta some deep shit you have going on there. Incubus Inception. You speeeshull man.

If you think this is a stretch of imagination to say they have SSL inspired mixer, you'll have to bend reality really far away to generate your response which most likely will be another set of nonsense.

Either way, I am giving you an award in the form of "largest biscuit" in this thread. You certainly deserved it.

[jens]

Are you drunk by any chance?

[wibblywobblywomble]

Reason has a mixer that looks like an SSL mixer (obviously), but it doesn't have an emulation of an SSL mixer. But they like to pretend it is an emulation partly for marketing, and partly as an excuse not to add features, because they can say "the SSL doesn't have that feature". Which is ironic, because the guy who actually made the real SSL is on record saying he thinks modern features are better and emulations are kind of pointless.

[hotmitts]

just admit, you've grown out of it and move on. there are lots of other options. i transfer my old unfinished Reason projects to Ableton 12 and i use the Reason Plugin, whenever i want it to use. in case you want to have the whole cable fun, there is a render function, folks!

I get that, but...
I learnt on Reason, collaborated using it, I know where every little thing that I need is and what to do with it..
...it's so idiosyncratic that if you spent 20 years with it and try to migrate, nothing is quite ....where you expect...

So that's why this latest upgrade (which I'm not doing) is extra frustrating. A step in the right direction but not nearly far enough.

Well, maybe it's time to dust off Studio 1 again, I dunno

[mellotronaut]

just admit, you've grown out of it and move on. there are lots of other options. i transfer my old unfinished Reason projects to Ableton 12 and i use the Reason Plugin, whenever i want it to use. in case you want to have the whole cable fun, there is a render function, folks!

I get that, but...
I learnt on Reason, collaborated using it, I know where every little thing that I need is and what to do with it..
...it's so idiosyncratic that if you spent 20 years with it and try to migrate, nothing is quite ....where you expect...

So that's why this latest upgrade (which I'm not doing) is extra frustrating. A step in the right direction but not nearly far enough.

Well, maybe it's time to dust off Studio 1 again, I dunno

it's just about the fact, devs are usually neither our parents nor they have to be our parental surrogate projection.

[LaLivre]

They could, they could, they could....since ages the same unfulfilled wishlist of the simplest QOL improvements.

They should finally move and add it, now.

you and some other guys here remind me of people in the former GDR (German Democratic Republic). they made a lot of "Eingaben", means "petitions" to the government and its leader and every once in a while some single mini requests were fulfilled, but after a while the frustration got viral. etc. etc. etc.
Reason is just a tool, not a nation or a government.
just admit, you've grown out of it and move on. there are lots of other options. i transfer my old unfinished Reason projects to Ableton 12 and i use the Reason Plugin, whenever i want it to use. in case you want to have the whole cable fun, there is a render function, folks!

Did you somehow become insane or did you loose totally your logic or what is the reason you compare my harsh and justified long-time-customer critics with dependent behavior of some former GDR citizens?

[hotmitts]

just admit, you've grown out of it and move on. there are lots of other options. i transfer my old unfinished Reason projects to Ableton 12 and i use the Reason Plugin, whenever i want it to use. in case you want to have the whole cable fun, there is a render function, folks!

I get that, but...
I learnt on Reason, collaborated using it, I know where every little thing that I need is and what to do with it..
...it's so idiosyncratic that if you spent 20 years with it and try to migrate, nothing is quite ....where you expect...

So that's why this latest upgrade (which I'm not doing) is extra frustrating. A step in the right direction but not nearly far enough.

Well, maybe it's time to dust off Studio 1 again, I dunno

it's just about the fact, devs are usually neither our parents nor they have to be our parental surrogate projection.

MM...that's really...patronising. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.

[mellotronaut]

Did you somehow become insane or did you loose totally your logic or what is the reason you compare my harsh and justified long-time-customer critics with dependent behavior of some former GDR citizens?

you and others behave dependent, although there shouldn't be any dependency. if a daw doesn't give me joy, i choose another or i try to find a workaround to let joy stay on.

[mellotronaut]

MM...that's really...patronising. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.

clever or not, it is my observation. "patronising" is your observation, not my intention.

[D-Fusion]

Did you somehow become insane or did you loose totally your logic or what is the reason you compare my harsh and justified long-time-customer critics with dependent behavior of some former GDR citizens?

you and others behave dependent, although there shouldn't be any dependency. if a daw doesn't give me joy, i choose another or i try to find a workaround to let joy stay on.

Or you can continue to use the Version that has worked fine for you for the last 3-4 years and keep using it 3-4 more years until a update is released that is worth upgrading too

We are not being forced to upgrade so I choose not to do it this time and I will Continue using V.12 until a update that is worth upgrading to is released.

[mellotronaut]

Did you somehow become insane or did you loose totally your logic or what is the reason you compare my harsh and justified long-time-customer critics with dependent behavior of some former GDR citizens?

you and others behave dependent, although there shouldn't be any dependency. if a daw doesn't give me joy, i choose another or i try to find a workaround to let joy stay on.

Or you can continue to use the Version that has worked fine for you for the last 3-4 years and keep using it 3-4 more years until a update is released that is worth upgrading too

We are not being forced to upgrade so I choose not to do it this time and I will Continue using V.12 until a update that is worth upgrading to is released.

[LaLivre]

Did you somehow become insane or did you loose totally your logic or what is the reason you compare my harsh and justified long-time-customer critics with dependent behavior of some former GDR citizens?

you and others behave dependent, although there shouldn't be any dependency. if a daw doesn't give me joy, i choose another or i try to find a workaround to let joy stay on.

Mellowboy you are wrong, I behave not dependent. I, or we, we want reason just to have some of the basic DAW functions even free DAWs have since years. See, there are a couple of basic DAW functions that became standard in every f***ing DAW except reason and I have a rant about it. It has nothing to do with dependence at all. Think before you write please.

[hotmitts]

While we're on the subject of giving advice, probably more important than what we do about any Music software at this point, is the gaining of even the most rudimentary of social skills . You won't get that far in life without them.
I'm off now. Good luck !

[mdx4ever]

OMG, so much negativity on this forum
I’m user of all software that Props, sorry ReasonStudios have ever released and love them all.
Rebirth 338, Recycle and of course Reason - got them all since ver.1
Remarkable that Rebirth 338 although discontinued many years ago due to Roland disputes and not available in App Store, still works brilliantly on my latest iPad 13” m4 pro
Currently I’m Reason + subscriber and enjoying Reason and still loving it as ever.
PS; I use Cubase 13 Pro, Ableton Live Suite 12 and Logic Pro as well as Reason.

[wayford]

I think I have a couple of ideas for Reason 14, I already have some ideas of how to implement things from a UX standpoint.

If I lived in Sweden, I would have applied for the role of the UX designer at Reason Studios. Actually, if they got me a work visa and paid my expenses, I would work for basically free, but that's another story...

Anyway, I'm here to say that I will be making a concept (that is when I have the time to) just like Logic 10.8 original one a lot of people liked, but for Reason. Please send me your suggestions.