Muse - New 8-voice Synth from Moog!

[vurt]

Weird that the boxes would say “assembled in Taiwan” as i have it on good authority that Muses are being produced in Asheville, with subassemblies and components sourced globally.

Maybe there two things are not mutually exclusive? Taiwanese boxes?

assembly is populating boards/soldering/wires.
production is screwing the front plate and knobs on and adding the logo.

[revvy]

Weird that the boxes would say “assembled in Taiwan” as i have it on good authority that Muses are being produced in Asheville, with subassemblies and components sourced globally.

Maybe there two things are not mutually exclusive? Taiwanese boxes?

assembly is populating boards/soldering/wires.
production is screwing the front plate and knobs on and adding the logo.

Thanks

So is this the sane as it was before InMusic, for Moog One, for example, or in the past were they ‘assembled’ in US too?

[Uncle E]

It seems to me that the small quantities of Moog One's would've made it more economical to do everything in the US. That's just a guess, though.

As long as a product is at least 50% made in the USA, they're allowed to put Made in the USA on the box. I bet the US factory is doing the final calibrations, in which case it makes sense to ship them partially assembled and then do the final assembly and packaging here.

[TheMaestro]

Something here a Cherry Audio VST synth can't do?

Honestly I would rate Cherry the least analog emulation capable company. I like their digital synths, but the analog emulations are IMO garbage if was you're looking for is something like analog sound. Arturias newer synths and U-He are pretty dammed good though.

So basically nothing, except for "doesn't sound analog", which no one here could even tell in a blind test.

Cool talking point, not this time though. My experience with them and their emulations started and ended with the Memorymoog. I've owned a Memorymoog since I was 18, bought it with the 2k inheritance I got when my grandmother died. I got very excited for an even half assed decent emulation, it's not even close. It's so far off that I have zero interest in any claim they ever make about anything. I'm not talking slightly different, without any hyperbole the only similarity Cherrys MM has to a real MM is the layout. The oscillators, filters and even the voice modulation, none of it sounds anything like a Memorymoog. It's an absolute shit show of an emulation.

Again you would have much better luck with Arturia, U-He or IMO pretty much any other developer of emulations. I don't mind and own Dreamsynth but their emulation tech is just not very good at all. There are settings on the MM emulation that sound like white noise, whereas a similar setting on a real MM sounds like a modular patch.

So nothing but the sound, then, as I said. And yet you couldn't pick out Cherry Audio's MM over the Memorymoog.

[vurt]

Weird that the boxes would say “assembled in Taiwan” as i have it on good authority that Muses are being produced in Asheville, with subassemblies and components sourced globally.

Maybe there two things are not mutually exclusive? Taiwanese boxes?

assembly is populating boards/soldering/wires.
production is screwing the front plate and knobs on and adding the logo.

Thanks

So is this the sane as it was before InMusic, for Moog One, for example, or in the past were they ‘assembled’ in US too?

i can only speak about the minitaur, but that was assembled in the usa. so im going to assume, it's a cost saving thing from inmusic.
i could of course be wrong.

[machinesworking]

Something here a Cherry Audio VST synth can't do?

Honestly I would rate Cherry the least analog emulation capable company. I like their digital synths, but the analog emulations are IMO garbage if was you're looking for is something like analog sound. Arturias newer synths and U-He are pretty dammed good though.

So basically nothing, except for "doesn't sound analog", which no one here could even tell in a blind test.

Cool talking point, not this time though. My experience with them and their emulations started and ended with the Memorymoog. I've owned a Memorymoog since I was 18, bought it with the 2k inheritance I got when my grandmother died. I got very excited for an even half assed decent emulation, it's not even close. It's so far off that I have zero interest in any claim they ever make about anything. I'm not talking slightly different, without any hyperbole the only similarity Cherrys MM has to a real MM is the layout. The oscillators, filters and even the voice modulation, none of it sounds anything like a Memorymoog. It's an absolute shit show of an emulation.

Again you would have much better luck with Arturia, U-He or IMO pretty much any other developer of emulations. I don't mind and own Dreamsynth but their emulation tech is just not very good at all. There are settings on the MM emulation that sound like white noise, whereas a similar setting on a real MM sounds like a modular patch.

So nothing but the sound, then, as I said. And yet you couldn't pick out Cherry Audio's MM over the Memorymoog.

What are you talking about? I'm saying Cherrys MM is one of the worst least like the hardware it's based on emulations out there. Nothing in it sounds like a Memorymoog, the filters, oscs, nothing. It's absolute garbage, comparing it to the real deal is a joke, it sounds like an emulation from 2001.

Again if you're looking for the sound of a particular hardware piece Cherry is bottom of the barrel.

[cryophonik]

I played it today against a Subsequent 37, a Minimoog, a Prophet-10, and an OB-X8. It sounds the most like the Subsequent, the character is almost exactly the same.

That's the same impression I get from hearing the Muse demos. I owned both a Sub37 and Subsequent37 and wanted to like them, but could not get past that smudgy/smeared quality of their sound (and, no, I'm not talking about the osc gain staging issue that was addressed in the Subsequent). My Slim Phatty, Minitaur, and (especially) SE-1X sounded miles better and could get hard knocking basses and plucks that could knock your teeth out of your skull, whereas the Subs just sorta farted in your general direction by comparison. That said, I think that quality works better for a poly than it does for a mono like the Sub/sequent, but I still find myself reliving my annoyance when I listen to Muse demos for more than a few minutes at a time.

[Torchlight]

I played it today against a Subsequent 37, a Minimoog, a Prophet-10, and an OB-X8. It sounds the most like the Subsequent, the character is almost exactly the same.

Does the keyboard feel like the Matriarch? Because the Matriarch keyboard is very hard on my hands and fingers. If I play it for an hour, I'll probably need to avoid playing the next day to let all the aches and pains heal.

[trusampler]

The Matriarch has one of the best keybeds I’ve owned. True semi weighted, I hope the Muse has the same keyboard.

[trusampler]

From the Matt Johnson video , I don’t hear anything that sounds like the Moog Sub 37 , it sounds awesome. Maybe in person it sounds different?

[Uncle E]

Does the keyboard feel like the Matriarch?

Sorry, I don’t remember.

[Uncle E]

From the Matt Johnson video , I don’t hear anything that sounds like the Moog Sub 37

Matt could probably make a lot of those sounds on a Sub 37. But I was just talking about the basic character, with no modulation and with the filters pretty open. It was easy to tame the bite with the dual filters.

[Digivolt]

Sorry but this is really bugging me

So he gathers his tools

Breaks his new box is unhappy, then magically fixes his box, puts it on a rug, gives it a stroke and is happy

Then he opens another box but the map is confusing, so he phones Ikea for directions

The order seems all messed up and how does he fix his broken box by phoning Ikea ?

Also massive health & safety issue wrapping the phone cord around his legs and weird he has a direct line to Ikea

[Torchlight]

The Matriarch has one of the best keybeds I’ve owned. True semi weighted, I hope the Muse has the same keyboard.

I'm unusually prone to finger pain. I have to hugely limit my playing because of it. So, for me, the main factor in any keyboard is just how much pain it causes me, not how playable it is from a conventionally musical point of view. In that respect, the Matriarch keyboard is probably the single worst I have tried. I don't know why. It seems maybe to have a shallower draught than other keyboards, so your fingers hit the hard bottom sooner.

[cryophonik]

The Matriarch has one of the best keybeds I’ve owned. True semi weighted, I hope the Muse has the same keyboard.

I'm unusually prone to finger pain. I have to hugely limit my playing because of it. So, for me, the main factor in any keyboard is just how much pain it causes me, not how playable it is from a conventionally musical point of view. In that respect, the Matriarch keyboard is probably the single worst I have tried. I don't know why. It seems maybe to have a shallower draught than other keyboards, so your fingers hit the hard bottom sooner.

Have you ever played a MatrixBrute or original PolyBrute? You might like the keybed.