Why did you leave Studio One?

[chk071]

Yep. That, and "listen to the users", which usually means to implement features other DAWs have, and don't see the bigger picture and the focus of what the DAW should primarily and originally be like.

[jamcat]

All of the features I mentioned work exceptionally well, and I use them all. They work together to form a complete, holistic music creation environment. Don’t be mad at PreSonus if you’ve chosen to use a half dozen inferior applications to do what Studio One does under one roof.

And don’t be mad at PreSonus if you mistakenly think Studio One is supposed to be just another unambitious looper to make your ‘beats’.

It is neither “a jack of all trades” nor does it “offer something for everyone.” That statement only reveals a complete lack of understanding of what Studio One does and who it is for. It is for professional musicians, and its purpose is to provide a singular environment where they can create full albums from start to finish.

The first concept you need grasp is that Studio One is meant to assist every step of songwriting. This is different than ‘producing’ or ‘beat-making.’ The second concept you need to grasp is that finishing a song is still only the first step in Studio One. That song is then meant to be one of many in a complete album and/or live show.

That is quite a different purpose and philosophy than the loopers and noise toys that tend to dominate the discussion on KVR.

[Resonant- Serpent]

Studio One support has become worse over time. I too have been a Studio One user for 15 years, and in the beginning there was much more support. Guys like Rick Naqvi, and Jonathan Hillman would pop in the user forums, and talk directly with us about new features etc.
Then all of a sudden, it was like a corporate button was smashed, and what was once a passion for them to communicate & get a new powerful daw out, turned into a slow decline, with less and less new features, no more direct contact with them, to where it is now. Tech support is almost at an elementary status.
The Fender acquisition seems to be making it worse as well. It was literally like a candidate in politics, the people put you in a good position, then they forgot about the people.
If you have one bad thing to say about the daw ,in their user forums, you are shouted down, and those calling out the issues, well, those posts disappear. Alot of us caught on to that.

When this was first posted, I was thinking WTF. I used Presonus support a couple of weeks ago, and it was great. I recognized the name of the tech from the forums and my issue was solved within 24 hours.

Then two days ago I had to call on support again, and it was the worst tech support experience of my life. The tech didn't read what I posted, misunderstood what I said, gave me instructions that I clearly stated had already been tried, and then tried to gaslight me that my issue was solved when it never was. Then another tech joined the thread and worded their response so badly that I thought they had closed the case without helping me and I got pissed. Despite being told over and over that the issue was with me, it turns out the issue was on their side the entire time. It was incredibly frustrating and a huge waste of time. Made me question why the hell I'm involving myself in the Presonus world if this is how it's going to be.

[BONES]

That's similar to my experience but I don't care. Even with it's issues, I'd still rather be using Studio One than any other DAW. I've been using it for 4 years now and, in all that time, I have never lost any work from a crash (and I am not someone who remembers to save nearly as often as he should). How many people can say that about their DAW? I can also load up a whole set, 17 or 18 songs (80-90 minutes), and jump from one to the next to the next on stage, with essentially no breaks between songs, without having to worry about anything. It always just works.

The only feature I'm missing from S1 is being able to automate a hardware synth just by wiggling a knob on the synth, and S1 automatically shows me the Midi CC allowing me to drop it into an automation lane. SO fast and efficient!

How is S1 to know you want to do that and you're not just changing the value? Right now there is only one extra step, which is click on the "A" box to tell it you want an automation lane. The only way it could be faster is if that "A" box wasn't all the way in the top-left corner.

S1 is a great DAW. Ableton has such a smooth way of navigating. I wish S1 was able to move and navigate like Ableton.

It depends what you're used to. I found it much easier to get my head around S1's interface than Live's.

I also loath that S1 cant let you customize the mouse wheel. I just want to zoom in and out like Ableton. I had to download a third party mouse modifier called Mos in order to do it in S1.

You could always just learn how to use it. You can use the scroll wheel to zoom in Studio One easily, without having to customise anything.

My biggest gripe with S1 is the damn qwerty keyboard... converts your computer keyboard into a midi controller. What if Im away from my computer, and on a laptop? Thats why I have a strong opinion about qwerty.

Buy a Roli Lightpad Block or a Donner DMK-25. Either will fit into your messenger bag or laptop with your computer. It's not a feature I would ever want or use.

The S1 Mixer is the worst. The "quick controls" suck. They just suck.

Are you nuckin' futz!?! They are f**king great, I use them quite regularly.

when I want to open the full plugin UI I will inevitably activate the quick controls and the rest of my plugin chain scrolls off the screen.

Well learn how to use the f**king thing properly, don't blame Presonus for your lack of skill.

The plugin arrangement across tracks is impossible to take in since they are all mumbly-jumbly all over i.e. I can't scan across the mixer and see my usual plugin chain/arrangements etc. It's a deal-killer for me.

Again, learn how to use it, don't complain because you suck.

"Jack of all trades" products nearly always lack of detail in many functionality which may be much more important for some than some seperate "Mastering page" or similar...

It's not really a "jack of all trades", it's more of an end-to-end solution for those who might want it. Of course, most DAWs can be used for the same stuff, it's just that Studio One offers you pre-built workflows for some things. So, for example, instead of having one project file for your mix and a second one for mastering, you can have all of that in one project, whilst still keeping the processes separate and discrete.

I really wished there was a competitive DAW which keeps it simple.

Do what I did and just use the Artist version.. It has all the important stuff and not much of the useless schizz clueless idiots asked for.

[BCnSTL]

Dude relax. To Each, Their Own.

[fedexnman]

I bought a USED Studio One Artist license for the latest version . There is NO point having the full blown Pro or Subscription version for me . Thanks @Bones ...

[jamcat]

The S1 Mixer is the worst. The "quick controls" suck. They just suck.

Are you nuckin' futz!?! They are f**king great, I use them quite regularly.

I’m torn on this one.
I also always accidentally expand it when I’m trying to open the plugin UI. It’s because a single click expands it and a double click open the plugin editor UI. Anything less than a rapid 1-2 click triggers the “quick controls” to expand.

I’d much rather it require a shift+click to expand the quick controls.

But I do find the quick controls to be useful—even indispensable—on rare, specific occasions.

Specifically when a plugin UI does not provide numeric entry, or has overly coarse control. Some plugins, such as UAD, don’t even show a numeric value at all.

Any parameter can be assigned to the quick controls, which can be numerically edited from the keyboard or numpad. So the quick controls can actually provide precision above and beyond what the plugin natively offers.

I will add frequency and gain controls for EQ plugins to the quick controls, for example, so I can set them precisely.

[vertibration]

That's similar to my experience but I don't care. Even with it's issues, I'd still rather be using Studio One than any other DAW. I've been using it for 4 years now and, in all that time, I have never lost any work from a crash (and I am not someone who remembers to save nearly as often as he should). How many people can say that about their DAW? I can also load up a whole set, 17 or 18 songs (80-90 minutes), and jump from one to the next to the next on stage, with essentially no breaks between songs, without having to worry about anything. It always just works.

The only feature I'm missing from S1 is being able to automate a hardware synth just by wiggling a knob on the synth, and S1 automatically shows me the Midi CC allowing me to drop it into an automation lane. SO fast and efficient!

How is S1 to know you want to do that and you're not just changing the value? Right now there is only one extra step, which is click on the "A" box to tell it you want an automation lane. The only way it could be faster is if that "A" box wasn't all the way in the top-left corner.

S1 is a great DAW. Ableton has such a smooth way of navigating. I wish S1 was able to move and navigate like Ableton.

It depends what you're used to. I found it much easier to get my head around S1's interface than Live's.

I also loath that S1 cant let you customize the mouse wheel. I just want to zoom in and out like Ableton. I had to download a third party mouse modifier called Mos in order to do it in S1.

You could always just learn how to use it. You can use the scroll wheel to zoom in Studio One easily, without having to customise anything.

My biggest gripe with S1 is the damn qwerty keyboard... converts your computer keyboard into a midi controller. What if Im away from my computer, and on a laptop? Thats why I have a strong opinion about qwerty.

Buy a Roli Lightpad Block or a Donner DMK-25. Either will fit into your messenger bag or laptop with your computer. It's not a feature I would ever want or use.

The S1 Mixer is the worst. The "quick controls" suck. They just suck.

Are you nuckin' futz!?! They are f**king great, I use them quite regularly.

when I want to open the full plugin UI I will inevitably activate the quick controls and the rest of my plugin chain scrolls off the screen.

Well learn how to use the f**king thing properly, don't blame Presonus for your lack of skill.

The plugin arrangement across tracks is impossible to take in since they are all mumbly-jumbly all over i.e. I can't scan across the mixer and see my usual plugin chain/arrangements etc. It's a deal-killer for me.

Again, learn how to use it, don't complain because you suck.

"Jack of all trades" products nearly always lack of detail in many functionality which may be much more important for some than some seperate "Mastering page" or similar...

It's not really a "jack of all trades", it's more of an end-to-end solution for those who might want it. Of course, most DAWs can be used for the same stuff, it's just that Studio One offers you pre-built workflows for some things. So, for example, instead of having one project file for your mix and a second one for mastering, you can have all of that in one project, whilst still keeping the processes separate and discrete.

I really wished there was a competitive DAW which keeps it simple.

Do what I did and just use the Artist version.. It has all the important stuff and not much of the useless schizz clueless idiots asked for.

Yea, I was able to load up the ableton mapping from S1, and the mouse wheel zoom worked ok. Now I hope one day they integrate qwerty without the need for a pop up window

[BONES]

I will add frequency and gain controls for EQ plugins to the quick controls, for example, so I can set them precisely.

You can even edit the curves in ProEQ from the quickview. It's awesome!

[harddaysnight]

I bought a USED Studio One Artist license for the latest version . There is NO point having the full blown Pro or Subscription version for me . Thanks @Bones ...

I thought this, but Ampire exists and it's awesome imo.
People crap on it but I've been able to get some killer tones from most of the amps in it - and the Blackface isn't in Artist.

Artist is lacking a couple of things that I think should be in there - considering what Professional is supposed to be for - an end-to-end solution for professionals, basically - the whole thing, start to finish, including doing your video, performing live sets etc the whole lot..

..with that in mind, I think Artist should be for the home musician that just wants to do the songs themselves. No need for atmos, videos/lyrics, anything relating to releasing the music etc..

Which means, I think these should all be in Artist:

- full Ampire
- Multiband Dynamics
- chord track
- arpeggiator
- vocoder
- pedalboard

IMO those things are all useful for home recording types, they're things that I think are a little more essential for someone writing/recording/releasing from home on their own - and if a full-blown start-to-finish ethos is what Professional is about, then it makes sense (to me) that Artist's ethos would be about the home musician.

I think all of the above would fit into the "home musician" category - things that would be used frequently by people writing/recording/releasing their own stuff.

I see the above as different to things like Console Shaper or OpenAIR or Splitter etc because they're more advanced, they're things for more advanced/professional users.


I still think Artist is awesome, but I'll be moving to Professional for the things I listed above - even if it was just for Ampire. Trialled Professional twice now (I bought 6 Artist as an account takeover because it Presonus offers no Artist 5 to 6 upgrade? OOF).. really love Ampire.

Everyone's needs differ but I just wanted to highlight a few reasons why I personally do see a need/want for Professional over Artist. Even if it is mostly because Professional has some things that should be in Artist imo.

I don't think basic stuff like a full Ampire or pedalboard should be locked behind Professional - seems a bit extreme to me, cripples Artist too much and feels at odds with the point of its existence.

[fedexnman]

I think you can buy Ampire as an add-on too . I don't know . I have a Ni Komplete so and some other 3rd party stuff so I'm good with S1 Artist . I'll probably buy a USED license next upgrade .

[harddaysnight]

I think you can buy Ampire as an add-on too . I don't know . I have a Ni Komplete so and some other 3rd party stuff so I'm good with S1 Artist . I'll probably buy a USED license next upgrade .

You can, but I don't see the point in that when it's like $103aud and I can buy an account takeover or someone's unwanted Professional 6 for like $160~aud. Makes more sense to go Professional for me.

Professional has a few additional things I'd use too so it's not just for Ampire in my case but everyone's got their own needs.

[SonicGems]

When should v7 be announced? I'm hoping for updated sampler and drum machine!

[jamcat]

I’m hoping for revamped automation with part containers and free (re)assignment to any parameter of any plugin.

And audio scrubbing. (Tape style and true pitch modes.)

[jens]

The first concept you need grasp is that Studio One is meant to assist every step of songwriting. This is different than ‘producing’ or ‘beat-making.’ The second concept you need to grasp is that finishing a song is still only the first step in Studio One. That song is then meant to be one of many in a complete album and/or live show.

That is quite a different purpose and philosophy than the loopers and noise toys that tend to dominate the discussion on KVR.