What’s on your pedalboard for rehearsals / Donner TT/ amps

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I would say, then, that IK Support can assist you directly better than all of us taking guesses here. I posted the link to open a ticket above. I hope they are able to assist you in a matter that is to your satisfaction.

[Naillerz78]

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[Naillerz78]

I would say, then, that IK Support can assist you directly better than all of us taking guesses here. I posted the link to open a ticket above. I hope they are able to assist you in a matter that is to your satisfaction.

I’m more than happy for all of you to take guesses here Peter I didn’t buy the product just a demo.
You’re a sound a software/ sound Eng guy.
just take a wild guess off the top of your head.

I’ve updated the sound demos now to be 5 short 20sec-1min clips.

[Uncle E]

Off the top of my head:

You went through the preamp
You didn’t turn off speaker emulation
A DR at 3 ½ is LOUD

[Naillerz78]

Off the top of my head:

You went through the preamp
You didn’t turn off speaker emulation
A DR at 3 ½ is LOUD

Thanks.
- I did , or rather the shop guy setup for me. He didn’t know either. It’s being sold as a nano pedal in a guitar shop also btw it’s stocked in the cabinet next to all the others at shop.

- that’s not an option on the unit box, gotta connect the app etx for that which by all accounts is buggy/ slow AF /unreliable and a general PITA to use.

- N/A it’s not that loud. Plus I wanted to test it at close to rehearsal volume. I turned it up to 5.5 also and the TO down from 12 to 9oclock on dial. Listen to sound clip #5. Same result.btw it was a DR ‘ToneMaster’ model.

Would definitely not buy based on my experience tbh. My ears still hurt. This unit is brand new and just hitting the shops . I’d imagine this issue will be widespread reported very soon.

Tbh that setup & how I demoed it would be common operating practice in all guitar shops around the world I’d imagine. Not good enough , that was out of the Box straight into the amp, first default patch of unit.( I’m guessing “ Black Angus “ a dirty Marshall model.it’s not a Bogner Uberschall on 10/10 gain surely? That’d be a mega gaff)

If it’s not compatible with that most common of setups for demos at guitar shops, then it should be written as such in large block letters on the front of Box packaging.” DO NOT PLUG UNIT INTO FRONT END OF A GUITAR AMPLIFIER EVEN THOUGH THIS LOOKS LIKE A NANO GUITAR PEDAL AND HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO LOOK AS SUCH.”

[Uncle E]

Definitely would be a good idea for demo units of the Tonex One to be set up as distortion pedals, not amps. But the main issue is that the salesman didn’t understand the product.

[Naillerz78]

Definitely would be a good idea for demo units of the Tonex One to be set up as distortion pedals, not amps. But the main issue is that the salesman didn’t understand the product.

Nah mate disagree.
That will happen worldwide. This shop stocks 500+ pedals. Shop guys don’t have time to read all the manuals.
The main issue is it should not do that under any circumstances brand new out of the box on default patch 1.

It’s confirmed what I suspected about the unit.
The latest hyped-up digital POS. Made in the east for peanuts and sold in the west with big marketing / online reviews for a huge margin. Shipped out the door asap by manufacturers without proper testing ,for them to have skin in the game. Same old story. Glad I tried before I bought.

[Naillerz78]

From browsing forums last night re the squealing issue I gathered the consensus from many owners so far to be :

‘Bought the unit. Great sounds. Eventually realised after time w it I spent more time tweaking patches on my laptop than actually playing guitar. IOS App/phone app is almost unuseable it’s so buggy/slow/shit. Got annoyed / bored. Sold/ returned unit.’

I’ll just pickup a NUX 300. Same sounds, about 1/4 of the price and it has a looper + drum machine +effects + EQ + IRs. May as well if I’m gonna have a digital setup / option. Marshall/ Fender/ Vox sound very useable and it has some usual amp models others don’t have also

[Naillerz78]

Basically, this is what’s happening.

[Naillerz78]

I’m flogging a dead horse but I’ll leave on this - maybe Peter can chip in on this also as it’s his wheelhouse.( or perhaps not actually )

The Tonex sounded the same as all the other digital gear I’ve ever tried (heaps!!) because this; (copied from elsewhere re digital Ear Fatigue)

“Just look at an oscilloscope frequencies beyond 10Khz, most CDs will start to produce square like "sine waves" because of the resulting high harmonics involved in the reconstruction of the analog wave.”

This. The physics of digital audio is the barrier imo and the common result for me over a decade ( before this it was transistor amps and same issue)

It’s Square Waves. All digital gear sounds square / sharp to me no matter what gear I’ve tried. And all cause Ear Fatigue due to this very fast. Seriously. And also I’d fear - Tinnitus.
(My tinnitus is going crazy after my Tonex demo yesterday)

Tube distortion results in ‘round’ waves pleasing to the ear. (Tubes are “warmer” is the common descriptor) Digital distortion results in ‘square’ waves fatiguing the ear.(“harsh”)It’s just pure physics .

Don’t know how Digital will ever overcome this Uncanny Valley.

“Warming up” digital via tubes people speak of as the solution. Vox (and others) tried / claimed this w their old “ Valvetronix “ line & later ‘nanotube’. But it doesn’t work unfortunately.

All Tranny amps have this. Unpleasant OD/distortion. And with digital amps/units its just the same.

And it’s not just in the 10Khz range per the above excerpt .afaik it’s across the range.

[pekbro]

The nux stuff is pretty good i hear and the price is crazy. Look up some of the noodlists posts, hes into the inexpensive gear, even tests for donner IIRC, he might have talked about them (nux), I think he did in fact, good player too imo.

[Naillerz78]

The nux stuff is pretty good i hear and the price is crazy. Look up some of the noodlists posts, hes into the inexpensive gear, even tests for donner IIRC, he might have talked about them (nux), I think he did in fact, good player too imo.

Will do thanks. It’s as good as any to me. They all sound the same due to the “ square wave” thing I laid out above. The Tonex was just as harsh as all the rest . When it wasn’t emitting an ear piercing squeal that is.

[Uncle E]

Nah mate disagree.
That will happen worldwide. This shop stocks 500+ pedals. Shop guys don’t have time to read all the manuals.
The main issue is it should not do that under any circumstances brand new out of the box on default patch 1.

Sounds like you agree with me.

[pekbro]

The nux stuff is pretty good i hear and the price is crazy. Look up some of the noodlists posts, hes into the inexpensive gear, even tests for donner IIRC, he might have talked about them (nux), I think he did in fact, good player too imo.

Will do thanks. It’s as good as any to me. They all sound the same due to the “ square wave” thing I laid out above. The Tonex was just as harsh as all the rest . When it wasn’t emitting an ear piercing squeal that is.

It's the same old story as with digital imagery, digital models are too perfect and its not practical
to model all the imperfections you get with analog tubes.

The best tube models I've used (imo) are not really in guitar software at all, they are just distortion effects... I like the models from Goodhertz and Auburn Sounds, there are some others that I can't think of atm.

You can get tube distortion pedals, like this one: https://www.singularaudio.nl/shop/tubedrvepedal/

I have an Orobas (the original ltd ver, with the old NOS metal tubes) in it, it's not a pedal, but it's
totally badass... https://animalfactoryamps.com/products/ ... 86-edition

I may get one of those singular audio pedals at some point, or another similar pedal somewhere.

btw: You might try studio devil's stuff. It's old, but that guy's got a phd in electrical engineering
and spent a long time trying to accurately model the sound you get from tubes. His models were
quite good the last time I tried them.

https://www.studiodevil.com/

[zerocrossing]

Yes, our products are tested and thousands are in use (including on stage on late night shows, in many worship players' setups, one that survived a hurricane during a tour, etc) without issue. That one Reddit user with a similar issue sounds like there may be some confusion about how to connect and use TONEX Pedal as an audio interface. They can find information about how to do so in the User Manual and if they still have trouble our support team would be happy to assist them. Sorry you had issues, TONEX Pedal typically plugs right in and works great out of the box and even better with slight tweaking. In your case, simply turning off the cab is still running an amp (albeit virtual) into an amp from the sound of it and may also require some tweaking to sound right and is not as optimal as using a full range option for your output (or the return on the amp instead of the main input, etc) but if you need deeper troubleshooting the IK Support team would be happy to assist you https://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support/sw

I won’t be logging a ticket due to the fact I won’t be spending $370 AUD on a unit to make my tinnitus worse than it is. That’s absolutely unuseable for me based on my in person shop demo of a brand new unit.

I visited high end guitar shore , worker unboxed brand new and connected go a Fender ToneMaster Deluxe Amp , w 2 new cables & a new PSpot psu. Guitar to unit ->unit to amp ->all settings at Noon and instant EPSqueal. Turn down unit / turn up amp still that horrible piercing squealing.

There must be a better explanation than “ User Error” . That’s wayy not good enough Peter imo.
You’re a sound engineer yeah? Can you at least propose what could be causing that result based on running it into a Fender ToneMaster amp.
I isolated the source of issue to the unit in my demos.

This is what annoys me about Digital Gear and why I don’t buy it anymore. I had the same experience with a L6 Variax guitar 20 yr ago. And similar issues w other units. The same old story and I can’t be THAT unlucky. These units ought to all work out of the box in standard operating situations. ie plugged into the front end of a guitar amplifier. That’s what the unit is FOR no?
If not why the F is it sold as a nano pedal in a guitar shop?”user error” is a ridiculous answer tbh when I think about it.

Quick googling shows me quite a lot of users are complaining of various noise issues with this unit.

I already see another user on that reddit replying defending it with “ oh the factory Tonex psu is crap quality you need to buy a separate better quality psu”. Gimme a break. I see this kind of reply on other forums also re noise issues.

Pretty much all other software is sold with a clear notice re specifications and compatibility .except guitar software . That’s always “sorry -User Error.”

If your argument against it is that there are a lot of other people who also don’t know what they’re doing and can’t be bothered to learn, I’m in full agreement. The world seems to be teeming with the lot of you.