Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[Opaque]

Not a Reason user, although I am tempted to try it, but from an outsider's perspective that interview does seem to point towards them keeping the DAW for those that already use it since it's enough to make choons, but not rush towards covering all the features expected as the industry standard. Instead, as he pointed out, they are focusing on developing unique instruments and effects, which to me is the most interesting aspect and the main draw. One should keep in mind that they actually are filling up a niche in the sofsynth market that has had an opening in the recent years, as most companies are giving up on their creative/unique instruments - e.g. NI with absynth, reaktor, fm8, form, kontour, razor; izotope gave up on iris, etc. - most are sticking to the popular stuff like the classics, emulations, or giant libraries like omnisphere and falcon.

So, from my point of view, it kinda does make sense - I believe they should play to their strengths.
But, I also don't share the frustrations of those who've used it as a daw for a long time now. I've been using reaper and now ableton, and there's no way I'd go for reason as a daw considering some of the missing features that were listed above.

[LaLivre]

So, from my point of view, it kinda does make sense - I believe they should play to their strengths.
But, I also don't share the frustrations of those who've used it as a daw for a long time now. I've been using reaper and now ableton, and there's no way I'd go for reason as a daw considering some of the missing features that were listed above.

Dude, it really seems that guys like you are really not able to think in logic ways about subjects and I am sorry to say this to you that direct. Look, it's not and it never has been about bing the next Pro Tools or Ableton DAW and become an indystry standard. It is not about "playing strenghts" better. It is about to implement fuc**ng basic DAW features loyal customers and new potential customers like you (!) cry for a decade .... like little markers or a looper. People move to other DAWs because of those missing features - important, basic features! People avoid Reason because of the missing basics, too. Man, they even promote to move to other DAW on their own website in many ways with their plugin!

Those guys who run that company over the last years ruined Reasons reputation and are not able to restore it in a good, trustful, fundamental way. They should quit, better yesterday then today. Look at the people around you, nobody uses reason, many even do not know it anymore! They fu**ing ruined the community with their ignorant and confused strategy and their tangled product communication, too. So even if devices would be their only strenghth, why the heck they do not update them like every other device-based company does? Thor MK2??? Redrum MK2?????? The whole rack did not changed the last 10 years, too! Theres just .... nothing. All the time only new devices, devices, devices .... thats boooring!

People want DAW basic features, good record features even free DAWs have. Hardware is coming back that even poor guys can buy, playing real instruments and record them is not something from yesterday. No, they do not cry for the "ultra advance industry standard" features! B.A.S.I.C.S.!

Again, for you: BASICS

We have enough devices for more than one life right now on the market and they should focus on a better core product.

[jens]

Well, yes, I certainly don't look for a Pro Tools replacement... I have most DAWs already anyway and I would like to continue using Reason for its own strengths but

a) it still doesn't even have MIDI loop-recording (etc. etc. etc., of course)

b) not only did they not improve the DAW part for V13 even though they worked on it this time around, they even actually made it worse and removed functionality.


I LOVE Reason and frankly put I thus don't see a way not to loathe these guys.


And yes, dood said in the interview in regards to adding new features:

We’re going to be picky. It keeps it workable, I think. Add too much and it just becomes clumsy.

Yeah, they always HAD that kind of discipline and it WAS great. But

a) that's not at all what happened with V13

b) there's many missing basic features they could have easily added without adding even just a hint of bloat or complexity. So... he's just talking bollocks. He's talking about what the others before him did before he came in and f**ked their baby up.

[Opaque]

So, from my point of view, it kinda does make sense - I believe they should play to their strengths.
But, I also don't share the frustrations of those who've used it as a daw for a long time now. I've been using reaper and now ableton, and there's no way I'd go for reason as a daw considering some of the missing features that were listed above.

Dude, it really seems that guys like you are really not able to think in logic ways about subjects and I am sorry to say this to you that direct. Look, it's not and it never has been about bing the next Pro Tools or Ableton DAW and become an indystry standard. It is not about "playing strenghts" better. It is about to implement fuc**ng basic DAW features loyal customers and new potential customers like you (!) cry for a decade .... like little markers or a looper. People move to other DAWs because of those missing features - important, basic features! People avoid Reason because of the missing basics, too. Man, they even promote to move to other DAW on their own website in many ways with their plugin!

I can see you're somewhat upset. There are a few things you misunderstood or misread in my post, and some things don't really hold true.

I didn't say that those basics should not be covered, only that I understand that those are not the priority - hypothetically, to simplify, if 10 people can be assigned to the development of either instruments or daw features, it makes sense to me that they would put 7 or 8 of those on the former.
Because, logically (and cynically, if you look at it from a business pov):
(1) Those who have been successfully making music with reason for over a decade find the existing features and workflow at least sufficient at this point, otherwise they would have switched to a different daw by now.
(2) Those who have been using it for some time and find it lacking might switch, but as its main strength are the instruments to which they are used to, and as reason already exists as a vst, they will probably continue using it in a new daw as a plugin (so they remain users of reason).
(3) If their intention is to draw in new customers, that's not really going to happen with updated features even if they covered most of what is missing compared to the big competitors, which is not going to happen because it's a huge amount of work, testing, etc. And why would most people even decide to swap to reason then, if they're already using something with the same feature set... so a huge investment of time and money for no gain. Instead, it makes more sense to focus on the instruments, which are the main draw, including for myself (I didn't complain about its features as a daw, I said I don't really care because I'm already using other daws).

So even if devices would be their only strenghth, why the heck they do not update them like every other device-based company does? Thor MK2??? Redrum MK2?????? The whole rack did not changed the last 10 years, too! Theres just .... nothing. All the time only new devices, devices, devices .... thats boooring!

They are doing that, but not in the way you expect it, because it can't be done the way you expect it.
What would your "Thor MK2" be, did you think that through? If they update the devices significantly, compatibility is broken with older projects - that would be a ridiculous move. Similar if they just update the algorithms - the sound changes, even if for the better, it changes saved projects. If they expand the feature set to improve the devices, but keep compatibility, then it's a big investment for only a partial improvement that retains the old algorithms, so that's pointless (and can't be marketed). If there's a new updated version that's called "MK2" in addition to the old one, that creates confusion, tricky to present to new users, seems like a lazy update, and at that point it's better to create a completely new instrument.
And now we've arrived at what's really happening, and what you desire, because it seems to me that Polytone is exactly that, no? It's more or less an updated subtractor. And with time, they'll probably do what ableton does with packs, make older instruments 'legacy' and available to download, but update them by releasing and replacing them with new stuff with a different name - that would be good in my opinion.

People want DAW basic features, good record features even free DAWs have. Hardware is coming back that even poor guys can buy, playing real instruments and record them is not something from yesterday. No, they do not cry for the "ultra advance industry standard" features! B.A.S.I.C.S.!

I agree about the basics, in general. But, from their position, no one from the outside will be attracted to reason due to those basics, those already using it for a long time either don't mind or will swap to a different daw but will keep using it as a plugin, and most of those who consider buying it/subscribing will be those impressed by the package of unique instruments.

That being said, I do sympathize with long-time users and do hope they update the daw - this was just to illustrate that, if we are able to think "in logic ways about subjects," it kinda makes sense from their position, especially if their team is relatively small.

[BrokenTrance]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

[LaLivre]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Congratulations, you wrote the most senseless post of the whole thread. Compltete bullshit.

[parma]

If I hated a product and it's parent company as much as a few of you guys I'd like, mm I don't know, move on.

[LaLivre]

If I hated a product and it's parent company as much as a few of you guys I'd like, mm I don't know, move on.

Don't worry parma boy, like many others before me, I'm already in the process of switching. It's also a big decision, as it will be permanent.

[parma]

If I hated a product and it's parent company as much as a few of you guys I'd like, mm I don't know, move on.

Don't worry parma boy, like many others before me, I'm already in the process of switching. It's also a big decision, as it will be permanent.

Great news!

[LaLivre]

If I hated a product and it's parent company as much as a few of you guys I'd like, mm I don't know, move on.

Don't worry parma boy, like many others before me, I'm already in the process of switching. It's also a big decision, as it will be permanent.

Great news!

Yes, now go and make party with RS's product management and be happy that you can play around with a lot of new devices the upcoming years.

[carambo]

CEO should leave, too. Sorry for hard words but the whole (product) management is a complete disaster. I guess that any (Reason) musican who has had a short and cheap training course in customer retention and product development would completely outshine these people - for half the salary.

Wouhahahaha, keep entertaining us

[carambo]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Hardcore users are always the worst for any business, these guys think the company belongs to them, lol...Reason Studios management laugh at them and I understand why, they represent a tiny amount of their business, they would be happy to see them go somewhere else...

[Belinski]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Hardcore users are always the worst for any business, these guys think the company belongs to them, lol...Reason Studios management laugh at them and I understand why, they represent a tiny amount of their business, they would be happy to see them go somewhere else...

The best part is to read posts asking the CEO to leave, this is hilarious, these guys should get a life, or spend their time to make music, instead of posting nonsense comments

[BrokenTrance]

I had some thoughts and I have to say it was really a bad idea to rename the company this way. Propellerheads was such a good, funny, special name with such an unique history and whoever decited this .... no words. I want "propellerheads" back. I think if "propellerheads" come back this strange journey is over. Come on, why you would name a product the same like the whole company? Is this good, professional branding? I prefer the oldschool way.

Reason Studios "Reason"??? Sorry, but for me this sounds not good.

Bring back "propellerhead"!

Might happen, but highly unlikely i think

[BrokenTrance]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Congratulations, you wrote the most senseless post of the whole thread. Compltete bullshit.

ok....