What’s on your pedalboard for rehearsals / Donner TT/ amps

[Naillerz78]

That cheat sheet is user-created, we provide a quick start guide that uses far less text and lots of pictures instead. To be completely honest, neither is perfect but both suit the people they are aimed at pretty well too.

And if you think TONEX is a massive fail, I'd invite you to a quarterly meeting but we're a private company so you'll have to trust me (and the dealers, distributors, and others) to say that is quite the opposite. Though we're aware of the difficulties some have with aspects of the software and hardware workflow and who have provided some great constructive criticisms so the improvements there will continue, as well as new features added.

I’m saying my demo exp was a fail for me. And the product performance was a fail for the product. And the fact that performance result wasn’t picked up in testing stage by manufacturer is also a fail by them(cough)

presuming re quarterly meeting you mean to observe “ IK Tonex sales & profit to date by quarter reports ”
Yes I’m sure plenty of folks are buying it online, Ik sales is hitting forecasted targets and P&L variance to budget is small

Maybe IK ought to send an email to the shops warning them not to take the new Tonex One out of the box and plug into front end of an amp. (?!)

just looked at product page on that shop website,
still confused re the operation of the pedal and how to setup unit to connect to the usual guitar input jack of an amplifier..Can it be used that way at all?
Is that stompbox-only mode without the amp modelling.
Some of the IK product blurb on the webpage;

“TONEX ONE is simple to use and connects to any type of guitar or bass rig including real amps, PA systems and FRFR (Full Range, Flat Response) Cabs. Toggle the "no cab" option for direct connection to cabinets and speaker emulators.”

Well I did connect it to a type of guitar rig including a real amp a few days ago.. and it no worky!

[Naillerz78]

Just to make sure I'm following the argument correctly here:

It is irresponsible sell a stompbox-sized preamp

because salesmen will set it up wrong?



My Dad taught me to always set the volume to zero when turning on an unfamiliar amp or dirt pedal.

It’s not just a preamp dude . It’s many things.
Got cabinet emulation I believe ,overdrive stomp box’s, effects(?)
So no, imrae is not following the argument correctly.

[BertKoor]

The "digital gives fatigue" phenomena you talk about comes from flawed implementations with aliasing. It can be done right. Examples of that do exist. It is not up to me to demonstrate that.

From here it sounds like that experiment which went wrong had more than one cause:
* Clueless sales rep
* Demo guitar had microphonic pickups (otherwise it would not pick up feedback)
* Pedal set to high gain
* Demo amp set to high gain (at moderate volume it could have never blasted your ears out)

If just one of these things went wrong, there would have been no drama. But when many things go wrong at the same time, that's the setting for disasters. But I thought your rant was over?


Regarding that page you linked to on tubes vs transistors, that is common knowledge since the introduction of the transistor guitar amp. You really want to discuss that? OK, here we go.

While the theory is correct (different harmonics at clipping due to overdrive) it is totally moot. What it describes is what clipping sounds like on a circuit designed to be clean. That's not what guitar gear designers have been doing for the last 60 years. My Tech21 Tri-OD pedal has no tube inside, yet sounds incredibly close to the real thing. Many pedals with a tube inside do that in starved plate design and put a LED behind it to let it glow. So it's all about appearance, marketing bullshit to make you believe something is better, trigger your GAS so you buy yet another thing to give you that short endorphine rush.

[pekbro]

starved plate design and put a LED behind it to let it glow. So it's all about appearance, marketing bullshit to make you believe something is better, trigger your GAS so you buy yet another thing to give you that short endorphine rush.

I believe it, my orobas eurorack module has an external psu just to run the NOS tubes, the
system power is insufficient to power the tubes and only powers the module itself...

[Uncle E]

Then there's the Zendrive 2, which sells for well over $1,000 used these days. It uses the tube as a clipping diode, not as an amplification stage at all.

[Naillerz78]

The "digital gives fatigue" phenomena you talk about comes from flawed implementations with aliasing. It can be done right. Examples of that do exist. It is not up to me to demonstrate that.

From here it sounds like that experiment which went wrong had more than one cause:
* Clueless sales rep
* Demo guitar had microphonic pickups (otherwise it would not pick up feedback)
* Pedal set to high gain
* Demo amp set to high gain (at moderate volume it could have never blasted your ears out)

If just one of these things went wrong, there would have been no drama. But when many things go wrong at the same time, that's the setting for disasters. But I thought your rant was over?


Regarding that page you linked to on tubes vs transistors, that is common knowledge since the introduction of the transistor guitar amp. You really want to discuss that? OK, here we go.

While the theory is correct (different harmonics at clipping due to overdrive) it is totally moot. What it describes is what clipping sounds like on a circuit designed to be clean. That's not what guitar gear designers have been doing for the last 60 years. My Tech21 Tri-OD pedal has no tube inside, yet sounds incredibly close to the real thing. Many pedals with a tube inside do that in starved plate design and put a LED behind it to let it glow. So it's all about appearance, marketing bullshit to make you believe something is better, trigger your GAS so you buy yet another thing to give you that short endorphine rush.

Thanks for explaining.
Yeah I saw those pedals and figured it was a gimmick. Rant over now yep
Been thinking over what could be the cause myself ..I could hear there was a noise gate on the patch cutting in and out so it’s strange it made the squeal.
At the end of my demoing I noticed it was a fender DR “Tonemaster “model which is a digital amp itself so that’s probably the issue. but it was set clean on the vibrato 1 channel.

https://www.mannys.com.au/fender-tone-m ... rUEALw_wcB

Thanks all for the back and forth.
Keep calm and carry on for me I guess .
Thanks Peter also for replies.

[pekbro]

Definitely, some of those tube pedals are good ones, they are not cheap though...

[Uncle E]

The Hughes & Kettner Tube Factor sells for cheap and is made to be plugged into the front of an amp. It sounds like Slash.

[pekbro]

I'm interested in the effectrode stuff kinda,
but a bit expensive.

https://www.effectrode.com/

[Uncle E]

Effectrode has a 6A power supply! That's nuts! It looks like that would work with the Friedman tube pedals, too.

I'd love to get their Tube-Vibe some day.

[Naillerz78]

I like the rep of the Tech21 stuff

My latest picks currently selling used;

H&K lunchbox head (only $30 more than TO
https://www.musicswopshop.com.au/produc ... 5170&_ss=r

H&K combo amp ( v nice sounding amp but heavy)

https://www.musicswopshop.com.au/produc ... 5170&_ss=r

[Naillerz78]

You went to a studio / rehearsal room without it being reserved. At least someone sucks at planning.

You initially wrote a bunch about band forming troubles, but that's edited now. I wanted to say, there's three major motivations for being in a band:
1. Money
2. Just having fun
3. Laying an artistic egg.

It is rare you fulfill all needs in one band.

I did edit as was a bigger convo …
Well said. Yes 3 reasons .
#2 & #3 are my usual motivations. (don’t expect much of #1 ) trying for a gigging covers band .
But Tbh reflecting now after many attempts of the usual approach of ‘relative strangers meet for 1 weekly session + song homework inbetween’…
I think this approach is flawed , takes too long to get going and falls apart ime.

E.g. my drummer saying now re music we discussed & jammed to in session 1 - drumming is too “ straight” for his taste .. hed prefer stuff from his fave cult bands (Bands I don’t know).
This situ in particular tends to happen a lot re the bands /song repertoire.

I reckon a band gotta work together / study together/ live in neighbourhood /co-share in band house (!) to really get going & get tight… like the Stooges did or the Beatles in Hamburg. For real.

Takes a LOT of work imo to get a band tight and good ..even for covers tbh.

I could see a Tribute band situ working with 1 per week sessions .. having that strong common music ground and know the material inside out to start with.

Else just have loose jams and play original stuff if it’s gonna be once a week. Ideally it’d be 2 per week.

Btw for u fellas currently in bands - how often do u have rehearsals ..?? Opinions pls

[BertKoor]

Sounds like that drummer is quite focussed on goal #3. If he is the (informal) leader of the group, he might get what he wants. There can be only one ego tripper in a group, and if you wanna go places with the group, then best is to have no (full-time) ego tripper at all.

And that is indeed what you see a lot: put some random people in a group, and you'll see drama about power, leadership, all the bad human stuff. If you mix boys & girls there's an extra level of tension. Lots of TV reality shows are based on this simple concept.

But most people are basically decent in my experience.

[Naillerz78]

Sounds like that drummer is quite focussed on goal #3. If he is the (informal) leader of the group, he might get what he wants. There can be only one ego tripper in a group, and if you wanna go places with the group, then best is to have no (full-time) ego tripper at all.

And that is indeed what you see a lot: put some random people in a group, and you'll see drama about power, leadership, all the bad human stuff. If you mix boys & girls there's an extra level of tension. Lots of TV reality shows are based on this simple concept.

But most people are basically decent in my experience.

Interesting. it was a common interest in punk rock music and #2 just “let’s have a jam” then some further energy coming from that. Then I went an bought 3 pedals and a new guitar I’ll have to check out his fave band ( The Replacements) & learn I reckon to keep him interested .

Yeah takes a fair while and many debates to settle on the material usually. Then a singer/new singer comes along ..and it’ll all change .

Ideally the formula is to build a band around the singer I reckon.

Yes the Big Ego,
Last long term band it was the Rush fanatic drummer w the massive kit ( “The Red Beast”) ,,who thought he was Neil Peart. And improv’ed all the fills in every song to ‘improve them’

Always wanted form a Led Zep tribute myself..wanna wear that dragon suit and sling a Les Paul with ‘John Bonham’ thundering behind me. Or a Deep Purple tribute with a keyboardist.
Or an Iggy/Stooges tribute band… or….

[pekbro]

Im almost embarrased to play zeplin in public. Cliche'