Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[ralfrobert]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Hardcore users are always the worst for any business, these guys think the company belongs to them, lol...Reason Studios management laugh at them and I understand why, they represent a tiny amount of their business, they would be happy to see them go somewhere else...

It's a bit different with FL Studio for example.

[jens]

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Great news!

Why in the world would you ever care?

Jeez - this forum really seems to become dumber by the minute...

[jens]

Hardcore users are always the worst for any business..

Nope - by FAR the worst are certainly fanboys...

[parma]

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Great news!

Why in the world would you ever care?

Jeez - this forum really seems to become dumber by the minute...

By all means, please continue to whine for another dozen pages about something you have no control over. That's the good stuff!

[LaLivre]

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Great news!

Why in the world would you ever care?

Jeez - this forum really seems to become dumber by the minute...

By all means, please continue to whine for another dozen pages about something you have no control over. That's the good stuff!

Parma, your meaningless outpourings are not constructive here. The wish of so called "hardcore users" is to take Reason 13 from this graph:

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to the point where this statistic reverses and the company survives without financial struggle or their strange and tricky authetification methods. Many have already recognized the problem - it's years of poor management, poor customer centricity, their tangled communication and of course missing basic features. The last one or two public interviews makes it clear that the whole management is obviously incapable of changing this. They simply can't and I think they never will.

Just because you are unable to realize a problem and express harsh and direct criticism doesn't mean you have to be cheeky.

[parma]

You state opinion like it's fact. Good luck with your two man crusade.

[LaLivre]

Look at the graph Parma, look at the graph....

[jens]

By all means, please continue to whine for another dozen pages about something you have no control over. That's the good stuff!

While I wish to wholeheartedly thank you for your generous invitation, I hope you don't feel too offended by my decision to keep posting whenever and whatever I personally see fit without securing your expressed consent first.

What would this forum be without mature and responsible members like you who keep a good eye on the appropriateness of the others' posts?

[kmonkey]

I'm emptying my bowels and reading psychopathic KVR product experts. The experience gels (pun intended) nicely with the armchair product experts. You should try it sometimes.

[LaLivre]

It nice that you can laugh a bit and express like a monkey, but posts are not "psychopathic" at all. If you would walk around a bit open eyed you would realize that Reasons reputation is down and this update is a debacle at all and the majority of users won't buy it.
Some Reason DAW lovers and Reason customers try to give their opinion here about what is the reason for sales and reputation problems.

[spacepluk]

They might not be psychopathic but the whole drama is a bit of an exaggeration.

[jlgrimes11]

This is kind of an interesting discussion. Probably 0,1 percent of the posters here use Reason as their main daw. Really interesting it is.

Hardcore users are always the worst for any business, these guys think the company belongs to them, lol...Reason Studios management laugh at them and I understand why, they represent a tiny amount of their business, they would be happy to see them go somewhere else...

Disagree.

A company needs to attract both hardcore and new users. Too much focus of either will be an issue.

Hardcore users are typically loyal and will fight for the company if it is a product they believe in. From what I seen in other DAWS Hardcore users are typically satisfied with DAWS current implementation and don't want too much change.

Back when I was on the Sonar forums tons of Hardcore users resisted change. And for a new user like myself DAWS such as Ableton and Reaper looked very tempting. I think alot of newer less loyal users jumped ship.


I think Reason has the opposite problem right now. I never seen so many Hardcore users upset. Reason is unique though that in it's early stages it wasn't a DAW and there were plenty of Hardcore users fighting to keep Reason from going DAW. I wonder how many of these people are left now.

I wonder if alot of the Hardcore users are the Record era users still hanging on still wanting DAW features. In this case I can see why these users would be upset as so many DAWS have seemed to develop at a much faster pace. Earlier releases had a unique balance of workflow improvements and new devices and I think most Reason users understand that these features need to have a unique balance and even if many Reason versions would seem a bit short in the workflow area, there was usually enough to really tick people off. I just think the last few releases are way off of what many users would expect in a DAW. If Reason was just a plugin package, these releases would be more forgivable but there is still a DAW/standalone user base and I think these are still the core Reason users who needs to be satisfied vs newer users who can be more fickle.

I also wonder if Reason is really getting these new users anyways with companies like Arturia, Cherry Audio, Vital, Uhe kind of shining in the new instrument market. I think the RE concept of Reason had huge potential to be big but something happened and they don't seem to have the large 3rd party development base they had like several years ago. I think companies like Blamsoft were doing big things for them but Reason kind of outshined and depromoted REs which is weird and Reason's big unique selling point.

[LaLivre]

Yeah, shure there should had been be a good balance of new rack devices and DAW features, shure the great REsystem and the devs should had been more in spotlight and for shure many loyal users are upset because of nearly no customer centrics, many missing beasic features we cry for nearly 15 years and a catastrophical communication.

And I can tell you the only solution to solve all those homemade problems, even if it sounds hard in some ears:

Change the managers.

[Samiver]

I really like reason and still use it daily as a plugin but from my understanding 13 has split the hardcore users as some like the new tagging and others hate it. Add in the fact that 13 impacted favourites in the way people used them I think a fair few will not buy until the release a fix to return favourites.

Personally I think the decision to increase the upgrade price is another factor to people not seeing the value.

Personally as a RRP user the only thing that interests me is Ripley so perhaps I will pick up reason during a sale in a year or so for say £50 with a jrr shop code if it happens (as it did when I bought 12)

[LaLivre]

I really like reason and still use it daily as a plugin but from my understanding 13 has split the hardcore users as some like the new tagging and others hate it. Add in the fact that 13 impacted favourites in the way people used them I think a fair few will not buy until the release a fix to return favourites.

Personally I think the decision to increase the upgrade price is another factor to people not seeing the value.

Personally as a RRP user the only thing that interests me is Ripley so perhaps I will pick up reason during a sale in a year or so for say £50 with a jrr shop code if it happens (as it did when I bought 12)

.... Reason 13 simply broke the camel's back.