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kperry wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:56 am I am not a lawyer, but usually a capitalised word (Agreement) means something very specific and is defined in the header of the contract. With that in mind, would Agreement mean VST 3 "agreements", especially in light of 1.6? ie. Signing this Agreement (VST 3) terminates and replaces all other Agreements (VST 3) and explicitly does not refer to other agreements there may be with Steinberg, in particular those relating to VST 2 development or hosting?
that is a fair point but iirc prior versions of the Agreement (emphasis on the upper-case A) were not separated in quite the same way from the vst2 agreements, and those get overridden by signing this one. there's a long paper trail on this one and all the bits aren't available online to check easily.

I've written it elsewhere, but I think steinberg has either the worst lawyers or has intentionally made the situation unclear to encourage devs to pull out of vst2 support while at the same time trying to steer clear of any potential antitrust action that might come from them actively forcing devs to pull out of vst2 support.

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kperry wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:56 am I am not a lawyer, but usually a capitalised word (Agreement) means something very specific and is defined in the header of the contract. With that in mind, would Agreement mean VST 3 "agreements", especially in light of 1.6? ie. Signing this Agreement (VST 3) terminates and replaces all other Agreements (VST 3) and explicitly does not refer to other agreements there may be with Steinberg, in particular those relating to VST 2 development or hosting?
Our lawyer is certain that any prior VST2 agreement is terminated with this clause, and so is Steinberg's lawyer who was in touch with ours.

And even if it was not, most if not all VST3 SDK Agreements prior to VST 3.7 have explicitly terminated the VST2 agreements. Hence, most of us have been running on a "VST2 license that came with the VST3 SDK as longs as the VST2 SDK was still included". Therefore, the termination of a prior VST3 SDK, has the same effect for about any developer who has published closed source VST3 plug-ins before 2021.

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Fair enough!

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Hey @teilo -

re: doom plugs 'bratwurst fuzz'
The plugin is now only being hosted over at KVR, so it'd be great if you could amend the link when you have a moment. Custom link can be used: " http://doomplugs.net "

thanks and all the best
Dom

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Doom Plugs wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:38 pm Hey @teilo -

re: doom plugs 'bratwurst fuzz'
The plugin is now only being hosted over at KVR, so it'd be great if you could amend the link when you have a moment. Custom link can be used: " http://doomplugs.net "

thanks and all the best
Dom
Done

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Thank you very much Teilo! =)

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Hi @Teilo

Thanks for creating and maintaining the list.

How can I get my plugin versions updated? I created multiple feedback form requests over the last few months for updating the version. I also created one for requesting a developer account. None of them have been answered yet.

Best regards,
Simon

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Laguna_999 wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 1:00 pm Hi @Teilo

Thanks for creating and maintaining the list.

How can I get my plugin versions updated? I created multiple feedback form requests over the last few months for updating the version. I also created one for requesting a developer account. None of them have been answered yet.

Best regards,
Simon
The database does not track current versions. The version number is the first known version that supports CLAP. The entries are not intended to be perpetually updated with the current version.

But my email notifications seem to have broken also, which is why I did not notice your submissions. Not sure what happened there. I'll look into it.

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Maybe it would be good to change the "Date" to "Submission Date" or "First Release Date" (and make it the last, not first column?).
With version it should be "CLAP Support since".

I would also have misunderstood this. But it's clear that you cannot just continuously update versions, there would also be not much value in that. Thanks for creating and maintaining such a list!
Find my (music) related software projects here: github.com/Fannon

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teilo wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:24 am
The database does not track current versions. The version number is the first known version that supports CLAP. The entries are not intended to be perpetually updated with the current version.

But my email notifications seem to have broken also, which is why I did not notice your submissions. Not sure what happened there. I'll look into it.
Thanks for the clarification, then I understood it completely wrong.
I agree with the suggestions by @Fannon, that would make it more clear to visitors and contributors.

Best regards
Simon

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Sorry for my ignorance :?
After reading all posts here I sill can’t wrap my head around about the reason of introducing yet another format of virtual instruments…
As I see it, we already have too many - VST, Au and ProTools…
BTW; Steinberg supports Au on Cubasis (iPad) but refuses to implement it in Cubase desktop… Wtf?
Logic doesn’t even know what VST is…
Ableton Live, ProTools, Reason and others are “sitting on the fence” for past 2 years and it doesn’t look that they will introduce CLAP support anytime soon.
What a virtual instrument mess it has become…

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Even though this kind of discussion doesn't really belong to this thread, I'll try spending a few minutes to try possibly sheding some light... IMO
mdx4ever wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:53 am Sorry for my ignorance :?
After reading all posts here I sill can’t wrap my head around about the reason of introducing yet another format of virtual instruments…
As I see it, we already have too many - VST, Au and ProTools…
Yes and not a single format universally usable (not used, usable) by all platforms and DAWS. Utopia? Maybe, who knows? Why not trying anyway? People behind CLAP know their guts technically so...
mdx4ever wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:53 am BTW; Steinberg supports Au on Cubasis (iPad) but refuses to implement it in Cubase desktop… Wtf?
I'll leave the answer to you... just think that these are the guys behind the mess that VST3 has become (ask to plugin developers...)
mdx4ever wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:53 am Logic doesn’t even know what VST is…
Of course Apple wants to keep their feudo up the mountain and live in happiness by themselves.
mdx4ever wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:53 am Ableton Live, ProTools, Reason and others are “sitting on the fence” for past 2 years and it doesn’t look that they will introduce CLAP support anytime soon.
What a virtual instrument mess it has become…
We'll see about who's on the fence. FL Studio recently supported it. I don't feel rushed, let's see what happens over time.

The virtual instrument mess is such due to stubborn marketing strategies of the big guys that want to keep ownership of the formats - CLAP has no owner; ease of use and users opinion and convenience are not factors at all here IMO...

Hope it helps,
Mario
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Thanks for clarification Mario :)

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mdx4ever wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:53 am Sorry for my ignorance :?
After reading all posts here I sill can’t wrap my head around about the reason of introducing yet another format of virtual instruments…
As I see it, we already have too many - VST, Au and ProTools…
BTW; Steinberg supports Au on Cubasis (iPad) but refuses to implement it in Cubase desktop… Wtf?
Logic doesn’t even know what VST is…
Ableton Live, ProTools, Reason and others are “sitting on the fence” for past 2 years and it doesn’t look that they will introduce CLAP support anytime soon.
What a virtual instrument mess it has become…
Hello, Atlatnesiti. You never learn, do you? You've been warned about this repeatedly. Go away. You're incorrigible. You've been banned for this behavior before. Yet here you are, on a new account, trying the same crap.

And please, everyone, ignore him. Do not engage. He has tried this crap repeatedly. If he wants to discuss the merits of the CLAP format, there are plenty of topics where he may do so.

His past trolling attempts:
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So, I'm going through my feedback database and will be making a bunch of corrections and updates. For those who submitted feedback and were ignored, I sincerely apologize. I was relying upon my email notifications, and didn't realize those had broken. I wondered why things had gone so quiet. :)

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